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Yeats, you’re embarrassing yourself. I hope you’ll apologise and redact all these slurs when you understand. I suggest you (or a responsible TRF mod) remove a few of those comments unless you want to stand by something potentially libellous.
As I said, frustratingly the Coral website is incorrect in this case. Those are NOT the final SPs.
Short story long, we have an ongoing systems issue that causes havoc whenever a non-runner comes out. Only today (prompted by this thread) did I notice that the Coral results page is yet another thing that seems to fall over when there is a NR. As you see, it doesn’t even have Zelzal as a non-runner (says ‘also ran’). It seems to have published the prices as they were at the exact moment Zelzal came out. Note 2nd Taareef is wrong too – says 16/1 when industry SP was 9/1! This is not good – I’ve reported it to the relevant teams and hopefully it will be fixed. Rule 4 isn’t relevant in any way here – the results page is just not correct. Ribchester went Evs in the new book, 10/11 about an hour before the off and shortened into 5/6 in the final 10 minutes. SIS can confirm.
The industry SP for Ribchester was 5/6 and this has been correctly settled in the shops. You can contact IBAS and SIS and they’ll both confirm this. Would you like to bet on that?
You can contact IBAS and SIS and they’ll both confirm this.
Would you like to bet on that?Nathbet
Odds on Confirmed result from IBAS ans SIS in favour of
LostSoldier3 5/6
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Don’t want to take your money LS
Skysports 10/11
Sporting Life 10/11
Racing UK 10/11
Bet 365 10/11
Irishracing 10/11
PaddyPower 10/11All wrong LS?
Yet to find a source that states that SP was 5/6, I would be grateful if you could state where it can be found LostSoldier apart from Corals [removed] sp’s.
Ante Post rules apply if you place your bet and Yeats does not contact the IBAS and SIS then you do your dough
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William Hill 5/6
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Ladbrokes
I couldn’t find the results page of Ladbrokes or that on other sites I checked betway, betbright or Stanjames no results page visible unless well hidden
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Upon checking, the SP is not showing in the website
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Can’t find any result page on none of victor, boyles or fred
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Don’t want to take your money LS
Skysports 10/11
Sporting Life 10/11
Racing UK 10/11
Bet 365 10/11
Irishracing 10/11
PaddyPower 10/11All wrong LS?
Yet to find a source that states that SP was 5/6, I would be grateful if you could state where it can be found LostSoldier apart from Corals [removed] sp’s.
Yeats, again I’d strongly suggest you remove a few of those words. This amounts to libel.
Nathan has just provided the key source – William Hill. They also carry the industry SP for international racing.
Sky Sports, Sporting Life, Irish Racing etc aren’t relevant because they’re quoting the PMU returns. Again, look at all of the funky 96/10, 56/10 etc in the other races and anyone can tell that these aren’t British industry prices.
Different bookmakers have different policies on international racing. If you check Paddy Power and SkyBet’s rules, you’ll note that they carry their own in-house SPs for international racing. We also do this occasionally, as we did with many of the Turkish races at Veliefendi the other week. Reason being that there was no industry SP available and that the local tote was betting to about 500%.
As Nathan has shown, firms carrying the industry SP (Coral, Ladbrokes, William Hill…maybe others?) returned Ribchester at the industry SP of 5/6, with Taareef 9/1 2nd.
http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/results///E/11678645/thisDate/2017/9/10///Qatar+Prix+du+Moulin+de+Longchamp.html is 100% correct.
Nathan has just provided the key source – William Hill. They also carry the industry SP for international racing.
Sky Sports, Sporting Life, Irish Racing etc aren’t relevant because they’re quoting the PMU returns. Again, look at all of the funky 96/10, 56/10 etc in the other races and anyone can tell that these aren’t British industry prices.
Different bookmakers have different policies on international racing. If you check Paddy Power and SkyBet’s rules, you’ll note that they carry their own in-house SPs for international racing. We also do this occasionally, as we did with many of the Turkish races at Veliefendi the other week. Reason being that there was no industry SP available and that the local tote was betting to about 500%.
As Nathan has shown, firms carrying the industry SP (Coral, Ladbrokes, William Hill…maybe others?) returned Ribchester at the industry SP of 5/6, with Taareef 9/1 2nd.
No LostSoldier they are not quoting the PMU, the PMU was 1.60, as you would expect the price was lower as he was coupled with Inns of Court and not bigger as you suggested it would be with being coupled. For instance look at the Sporting Life result for the race, all quoted are normal prices including the last price for the withdrawn horse at 5/1.
Where are these industry SPs readily available at an independent source for the general public to look at?
Sorry to correct you again LS but regarding the Turkish races where they were betting to about 240% not 500% Corals used some of these prices for settling. Simon Clare even stated the 1/20 returned for the Godolphin horse that scrambled home and survived a stewards was a fair return even though it was about a 240% book in a 5 runner race. Well it certainly was after they weighed in, he must know the Turkish form inside out.
Mostly the SPs for that meeting as given by RP do match PMU, except the 2.30 and the Ribchester race. For the 2.30 SP is 182/10 and PMU is lower at 18.50 (No NRs or coupled horses in the race). Bet 365 results however give a mere 14/1. I’d be interested to see what other sources say.
Sure, 240%/500%. The point is that the Turkish tote has a ridiculous overround and we used an in-house SP for most of the races with British runners. No need to be pedantic.
Indeed, also got in a muddle with the coupling as RubyLight clarified. Hold my hands up there – was rushing up a reply while dealing with a million other things.
It’s a fair question about industry SPs though. Really should be some public record somewhere. Betfair used to have a full archive of ISPs via their formsite but this seems to be defunct now. SIS doesn’t seem to have any data or archive on their website either although they will respond to any public queries via their webform. Any danger of an apology now you’ve seen the William Hill site?
Let me ask you something else LS?
How come the RP quoted the SP of the Topkapi Trophy winner Wonnemond at 193/10 when German Bookmakers RaceBets paid out at 233/10?
Their fixed odds for the winner were around 4/1 or 9/2.
Where do the SPs come from?It looks like a mess, not helped by Corals having inaccurate information on their website. No wonder bettors are confused and angry. But LS has accepted this and, let’s be fair, has highlighted it to the team there. It looks like they’ve settled according to their rules so the issue isn’t around any sneaky manipulation of prices after the event but rather the confusing rules and the inaccuracies on their website.
With international betting, presumably, likely to increase it really does need a coordinated approach by the bookmakers with a clear set of ‘industry’ rules that they all sign up to.
In the meantime bettors, as always, should familiarise themselves with the rules before having a bet on any event that takes place abroad. And Corals should get their act together, bang some heads together LS.
193/10 was the Turkish tote return for Wonnemond (also featuring 1/20 Dream Castle and 1/20 Carry On Deryck!)
I’m not sure where 233/10 would come from although that’s pretty close to the Ladbrokes/Coral in-house SP of 12/1 on that horse. Maybe it was their own in-house SP or (and I don’t know) can you bet on international racing via the German tote?
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