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bang some heads together LS.
Will do Corm! Trust me, there are dozens of things I want to get changed. Hopefully I’m in a position to make a difference now.
Everyone feel free to message me if you have any app/desktop site issues for me to add to the list for Ladbrokes or Coral. I’ll rattle some cages.
Sure, 240%/500%. The point is that the Turkish tote has a ridiculous overround and we used an in-house SP for most of the races with British runners. No need to be pedantic.
Indeed, also got in a muddle with the coupling as RubyLight clarified. Hold my hands up there – was rushing up a reply while dealing with a million other things.
It’s a fair question about industry SPs though. Really should be some public record somewhere. Betfair used to have a full archive of ISPs via their formsite but this seems to be defunct now. SIS doesn’t seem to have any data or archive on their website either although they will respond to any public queries via their webform. Any danger of an apology now you’ve seen the William Hill site?
As I said Corals did not price up every race at Turkey (there weren’t that many) and were happy to settle at 240% for Arabian Hope’s race after which Simon Clare said “With no Corals prices available, we settled any bets placed on the race at the local tote returns (240%), which in this case was very skinny, but probably accurate, price of 1/20.”
Don’t know why you request an apology just because Hills show the same price as Corals, there are more showing 10/11 than 5/6 and sites such as the Sporting Life & Racing UK who do not produce their own prices, and please don’t say they are PMU again.
Yeats, other contributors to the thread have confirmed that those are PMU prices. I don’t know what else we can do for you.
Hills also carry the ISPs for the international racing. Wouldn’t it be a massive coincidence for them to be showing the same SPs as those the Rooster quoted?
Yeats – I think you need to let this go – LS has confirmed the position as far as Corals are concerned.
Yeats – I think you need to let this go – LS has confirmed the position as far as Corals are concerned.
Strange post cormack seeing LostSoldier has 4 of the previous 7 posts and me 1
With international betting, presumably, likely to increase it really does need a coordinated approach by the bookmakers with a clear set of ‘industry’ rules that they all sign up to.
Exactly, a bit of clarity is all that’s needed. I don’t believe for a minute that Coral or anybody else simply looks at the result and knocks the price down a notch or two. When there’s two or three different prices doing the rounds with no real clue where half of them came from it’s no wonder people are confused and frustrated. All it really needs is an independently verified industry SP and local tote to be published in the RP and it would avoid all this. By all means allow firms to use their own SP (Coral’s rules do mention a Coral SP potentially being used in certain situations) but this should be made very clear before bets are taken.
193/10 was the Turkish tote return for Wonnemond (also featuring 1/20 Dream Castle and 1/20 Carry On Deryck!)
I’m not sure where 233/10 would come from although that’s pretty close to the Ladbrokes/Coral in-house SP of 12/1 on that horse. Maybe it was their own in-house SP or (and I don’t know) can you bet on international racing via the German tote?
If I bet with RaceBets then only if I want the foreign Tote prices. Like French or Breeders Cup Racing where you get better prices on a British horse than you would get with the UK bookmakers.
By the way, I checked the Turkish results site and 193/10 is the correct SP.
thanks for replies folks and ni particular LS3 for taking it up with his colleagues , interesting reading
Seems all the bookmakers need a little shake and get some coherent settling of international racing,, it wasn’t as tho it was a run of the mill race, it is one of top mile races in Europe on Arc Trails day where you would expect more action than your normal Sunday French fare, so a consistent price settled would be least expected.
Im still at a loss where the Racing Post got the EVENS for Ribchester tho, it had Zilzal as NR there and n R4 so that still puzzles me a bit
thanks for replies folks and ni particular LS3 for taking it up with his colleagues , interesting reading
Seems all the bookmakers need a little shake and get some coherent settling of international racing,, it wasn’t as tho it was a run of the mill race, it is one of top mile races in Europe on Arc Trails day where you would expect more action than your normal Sunday French fare, so a consistent price settled would be least expected.
Im still at a loss where the Racing Post got the EVENS for Ribchester tho, it had Zilzal as NR there and n R4 so that still puzzles me a bit
The RP got the dividend of the French PMU for Ribchester as an UNCOUPLED horse.
Ribchester returned EVEN money on the French PMU. By the way, it is called the “Rapport final PMU”.What I don’t understand is why bookies try to offer you less, by making you getting involved with the coupled horse. If I back Ribchester I don’t want to split my bet onto Inns Of Court.
thanks ExRubyLight- so the UK Industry National racing paper reports prices on the French ToTe dividends, instead of what UK Bookmakers are settling at
bizarre
thanks ExRubyLight- so the UK Industry National racing paper reports prices on the French ToTe dividends, instead of what UK Bookmakers are settling at
bizarre
If you click on this link http://www.paris-turf.com/programme-courses/2017-09-10/reunion-chantilly/resultats-rapports/qatar-prix-du-moulin-de-longchamp-1040158
and then scroll down to “Resultats et Rapports” you’ll find out that 2.0 was the final price/dividend for Ribchester and 1.6 was the opening show.
Inns of Court opened at 5.0 and went out to 9.0 (equals 8/1) at the off.Update to this:
Ahead of Arc weekend, we’re pushing to get the following message in the paper and on screens in shops. A note about Industry SP will be on the website too.
“In addition to Coral Early Prices and Industry SPs, customers may also place PMU/French Tote bets for this weekend’s Arc meeting in Coral shops. ‘PMU or French Tote’ must be clearly written on slips, otherwise bets without a price will be settled at the Industry SP. Only PMU/French Tote win & place bets will be accepted.”
Hopefully this will prevent any confusion and nobody will get any surprises when they go to get paid out.
Update to this:
Ahead of Arc weekend, we’re pushing to get the following message in the paper and on screens in shops. A note about Industry SP will be on the website too.
“In addition to Coral Early Prices and Industry SPs, customers may also place PMU/French Tote bets for this weekend’s Arc meeting in Coral shops. ‘PMU or French Tote’ must be clearly written on slips, otherwise bets without a price will be settled at the Industry SP. Only PMU/French Tote win & place bets will be accepted.”
Hopefully this will prevent any confusion and nobody will get any surprises when they go to get paid out.
How much can I have on young fella?
I’m not sure botchy – as I showed early on in this thread, the intricacies of the French tote aren’t really my strong point!
Genuine question. How are the AOB horses going to be coupled LS ?
According to the Racing Post Idaho & Order of St George are coupled and Seventh Heaven & Capri are.
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