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    obiwankenobi
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    Is there anyone on here interested in breeding who could take a look at his profile and comment. I am considering using him this year – he has come up from NZ to stand in France.

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    Dahlia1973
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    Have you checked his stats in the RP yet?

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    Louise12
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    Is this for a NH mare? Positives for me in that area would be Petition/Petingo, French Opera close up, and Mill Reef sire line. Tough horse, ran plenty. Photographs can be very misleading – thought he could possibly have a better hind leg (bit hooky?), but otherwise looks a nice sort. Have you seen him?

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    Gingertipster
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    I haven’t got a clue about conformation, Obi; but Timeform described him as a “strong, good-bodied colt” in his racing years. You’ve got the paternal tail male line of Mill Reef and the maternal tail male line of Northern Dancer – so can’t be bad.

    On the tail female side you’ve got Fair Salinia as Reliable Man’s grand dam who won the Oaks. Other than Reliable Man, not many of dam On Fair Stage’s offspring have done much else on the flat, but they did include Gale Force (by Derby winner Sinndar) a listed 1m4f winner on good-soft in France. On Fair Stage also produced a notable chaser in French Opera, who was also (like both Reliable Man, his sire and grand sire Dalakhani and Darshaan) by a French Derby winner – Bering. French Opera won the Game Spirit at Newbury and Celebration Chase at Sandown.

    Reliable Man Wore a tongue tie in his races in Britain and am not sure they have to declare it in France and Australia… But was genuine and pretty consistent (at least was when getting a truly run race) always held up for a late run.

    Although ran some good races on good-firm (eg 4 lengths 4th to So You Think in Prince Of Wales)… His French Derby victory came on the soft side of good. Connections also often took him out of races where ground conditions were thought too firm. Although effective from 10 to 12f himself, did have 12 furlong breeding on both sides of pedigree… And as a consequence I’d personally expect his progeny to stay better than he did. Wouldn’t expect too much of them as two year olds. Reliable Man is bred along the same lines as King George and St Leger winner Conduit – By Dalakhani out of a Saddlers Wells mare.

    In a brief stallion career to date Reliable Man has already sired a Group 1 winner in the New Zealand Oaks Sentimental Miss at 12f on supposedly good-soft going.

    If you want to see the pedigree:

    https://www.pedigreequery.com/reliable+man

    No inbreeding whatsoever in 5 generations!

    In his racing career he was certainly “top class” but beaten if there was a real top notcher in the field.

    Who is the mare or what is the pedigree of the mare you’re thinking of sending to him?
    If looking for a flat sire then I’d personally want your mare to be a counter-balance; having form on the firm side of good and/or a top-of-the-ground action… And be fairly speedy – miler if not sprinter. A mare with a middle-distance pedigree would be fine if patient enough, if you’re happy to wait for a staying career… But not if wanting a two year old. Reliable Man would imo be a good stallion for jumpers.

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    obiwankenobi
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    Thank you Louise and Ginger for your responses. I agree with you Louise about the conformation behind, the mare is very correct, I have not seen the stallion. Ginger your reply is very comprehensive and I am carefully considering your advice. The mare is by Halling and the dam is by Anabaa. The mare won at 1 mile on the flat and was placed over hurdles at 2 miles. The dam line has produced 4-6f horses which have won group races. Ultimately i’m looking to run on the flat with the ability to hurdle – not chase. I think it is possible we may have a good match to him with the faster side on the dam line. As a first season in France and mainly having stood in NZ it is a little bit of a leap of faith, I prefer the older known sires but he has stood out to me as very interesting and it may be a very good match. Thank you for your advice.

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    Gingertipster
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    Halling and Anabaa (although “effective” on the soft side of good) both showed their very best form on a sound surface. So they could well negate the probability of your horse needing a softer surface (though depending more on if your mare needed soft to produce her best).

    I did say you might want the mare to be by a sprinter or miler and Halling best at 1m2f. However, Halling did have an excellent turn of foot… And as you say, Obi; Anabaa gives some speed – although maybe further back in the pedigree than ideal. However, with your plan of wanting a possible dual purpose horse you don’t want too much speed. So as long as you’re not expecting too much as a two year old… And not everyone can afford a Frankel (can’t have everything)… If I’ve seen it right, the price of 7000 Euro’s for a Reliable Man covering – all in all looks pretty good value to me too, Obi’. :good:

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    #1418020

    Marginal Value
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    He was shuttling between Germany and NZ for the first four years of his stallion career, before settling in France. Two further points of note: he had his first three-year-old crop last year and already on the Racing Post stallion database he has 17 horses out of 76 rated at RPR 85 or over, which is a very high percentage (22.3%) especially for a staying-bred animal, and his fee has risen 50% since his offspring first hit the race track. For reference purposes the stallion Camelot, an exact contemporary of Reliable Man, and standing at 40,000 Euros at Coolmore, has 23.7% RPR rated at or over 85. So probably a better stallion than most people thought when he first went to stud.

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    RustyRails
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    I have to say I do not like the way he walks behind, skip to 2 mins in the video

    http://www.france-sire.com/etalon-52894-reliable_man.php#videos

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