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Come on Steve you know what I mean.Wait until after the Leger to have a go at him.Am I still confusing?
Just kidding. It could be argued that over this trip, and at the odds, the better value might be to take him on now though?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Could be if you are betting for the fun of it.If you know what I mean.Now I am begining to confuse myself!
Thanks for the info, Eclipse. Now it makes sense.
At 20s, Guarantee strikes me as a decent bet. Not just for a place; for a win. He ran a fast race last time on good to soft, and going away at the finish.
Thanks for the info, Eclipse. Now it makes sense.
At 20s, Guarantee strikes me as a decent bet. Not just for a place; for a win. He ran a fast race last time on good to soft, and going away at the finish.
That was just a handicap race though. Would need to improve a stone to be near a place and another stone to beat Camelot.
I suspect that if Michelangelo had won last time he would be a warm second favourite behind Camelot. Guarantee is as low as 14/1 with some bookies. Michelangelo is 14/1 with Willam Hill and would be an easy pick for me between the two. Thought Worthy was 4th in the Derby and has a group 2 win under his belt. I will be surprised if he is not placed and at 10/1 he would be my pick.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
The closer the race gets the more I see shades of Shergar’s St. Leger – or should I say Cut Above’s St. Leger.
Camelot, like Shergar, will start a long odds on favourite to win.
Shergar faced six rivals and it looks as if Camelot could face a similar size field.
Back in 1981, few envisaged defeat for Shergar. He was either over the top, was nobbled ( unlikely but not implausibel ) or just didn’t stay the extra two furlongs on tackier ground than he’d been used to.
Camelot looks as if he will stay, and if the ground turns up on the good/good to firm side, I reckon he will just about clinch the Triple Crown – but on tacky or soft ground, I would would have to be a layer. He wasn’t entirely convincing on the soft surface at The Curragh.
Any stamina doubts or chinks in his armour will be fully exposed by the Gosden horses.
Be cautious: remember Shergar !
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I wish Camelot all the luck and I am almost certain he will win the triple Crown by capturing the St.Leger.After all he is more bred for this distance than Nijinsky.We will be again witnessing a major landmark by having racing’s first triple crown winner since Nijinsky 2nd.
Regarding Shergar it is a tricky question whether he was past his peak or did not stay the gruelling distance.Infact he was working out very well just before the rcae and was at the peak of his performaces in the gallops.
Sadly Nashwan ,in 1989 was not given a crack at the Leger to enable him to capture the triple Crown,nor Sea The Stars.This makes us ask the qusetion whether this race has lost the credibility it had in the days of Crepello,Sir Ivor or Nijinsky.Mill Reef was left out because it was to run in the Arc while Nijinky’s participation took the toll out of the horses and cost him the Arc.I feel Crepello,Nashwan and Sea the Stars would have all won the St.Leger and thus taken the triple Crown.
It’s not animosity. I’d rather an underdog won if i even bothered to watch the race. Plus i prefer horses to race the best out there. If the horse was to go arc after winning this then fair enough, but i have a feeling it will swerve the older horses.
Oh come on Kal-El AOB would have to be half mad not to send him for the St Leger. The Triple Crown is one helluva piece of type to have on your resume.
I suggested myself if it turned out a bog he might be beaten but looking at the field of no better than Group 3 wannabe’s that look like turning up they will need to 40 days and 40 nights of rain to stop him winning.
tbh if he were mines and I was a logical thinker instead a huge fan of seeing good horses doing fantastic things he wouldn’t be going anywhere near the Arc if he won the Triple Crown.
I think every decision they make at Ballydole is about pound shillings and pence and if they feel the best financial move is to retire him after the St Leger then they won’t hesitate.
I don’t know what the economics of him being beaten after he wins the Triple Crown but "unbeaten" is certainly an attractive label to be wearing on your way to the sheds.
One things for sure there’s not a cat in hell’s chance of them taking on Frankel if they do want to maintain his unbeaten record and the Arc must be in serious doubt.
That’s right Hurdy. I’m not interested in the business side of racing though. I like to watch some races and for the best horses available to participate in them. I just feel like this is a weak bunch of 3 y/o, so having Camelot looked upon as some sort of star doesen’t appeal to me if he’s avoiding the better horses. As you say, the owners and trainer see horses as pounds and pence, so why should i care ? I’ll not have a bet, and if i watch it i hope Thomas Chipendale wins.
Apparently Lester is going to Donny on Saturday so perhaps he thinks after 42 years he will no longer be the last jockey to ride a Triple Crown winner.
I think people are a tad harsh on Camelot as he can only run where he is entered and he is without doubt a very good horse and only very good ones win the Guineas and the Derby. Sadly the Triple Crown doesn’t carry the prestige it once did mainly because breeders now favour 10f horses, what happened to Nijinsky and the stature of the Arc has grown immensely. See The Stars should have run it and would have won it a few years back but connections weren’t interested. Camelot will win it if he stays and I really hope he does as if he fails it makes even less likely it will be attempted again.
It is often said the Leger ultimately cost Nijinsky the Arc and it is an easy excuse but he only lost it by a head when caught on the line so it wasn’t as if the Leger ruined the horse and no one said it was the Arc that caused his subsequent defeat in the Champion Stakes. It seems to me that Nijinsky after 11 consecutive wins which as a 3yo included the 2,000 Guineas, the Derby, the Irish Derby, the King George and the St Leger along with a severe atttack of ringworm in August was just not as good by the time October came around.
I hope after winning the Triple Crown Camelot goes to Longchamp and puts that hoodoo to bed.
Superman must have been rooting against Frankel since he prefers the underdog to win.
Superman must have been rooting against Frankel since he prefers the underdog to win.
Well, we know you have!
Superman must have been rooting against Frankel since he prefers the underdog to win.
Nope. Frankel meets my criteria of facing the best horses available. I’ll forget about the arc because the trainer isn’t in the best of conditions at the moment and this race may be his wish. I don’t like Ballydoyle i should add.
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