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I know this is a long shot, but is there a duty to the opposing teams to ensure fair play?
Today we’ve seen a ball go over the line by a yard, and a player score a goal when clearly two yards offside. Both pieces of action were shown in the respective football grounds within seconds of them happening. Germany knew a goal should have been given and Argentina knew a goal should have been disallowed.
So why didn’t both teams do the right thing and go down the other end and put the ball in their own net? It would have been an extraordingary piece of sportsmanship, but surely that’s the least we can expect.
In almost every other sport fair play is administrated firstly by the players; in snooker a player calls a foul on himself, it’s the same in golf etc. Yet in football sportsmanship is almost non-existent, in fact it’s the complete opposite; players faining injury, players trying to get others sent off etc.
The Mexico players attacked Argentina at Half Time just now yet BBC asked the question why are they taking it out on the Argies when it was the officials made the mistake. The answer is because the Mexicans are thinking exactly like me, the Argentina players saw it wasn’t a goal and should have gone down the other end and put the ball in their own net.
It’s all a bit of a shame really, the world’s greatest competition is being ruined by some incredibl decisions by the officals, but also by a lack of sportsmanship (possibly).
I have some sympathy with what you say, and there is certainly a lack of sportsmanship in football, particularly around diving and trying to get others sent off. But if players are going to keep trying to balance out bad decisions by penalising themselves then things could get a bit silly, albeit it would be a gentlemanly kind of anarchy.
At the moment, the officials have the last word and as they are human, they will make errors. That’s how it is and players, supporters and managers have to take it on the chin until such time as technology is used.
And on the whole, I’m enjoying the world cup so far, don’t think it’s being ruined at all.
You’re right Andrew, it’s just today that has been ruined by bad officiating, not the World Cup as a whole. Nothing to do with England being one of the sufferers of course
Asking for sportsmanship in football is like asking for 10/1 for a 1/3 chance from a bookmaker. Aint never gonna happen. To much money involved in the game for fair play. Where theres money involved there are parties that will corrupt the game and twist the rules to suit them.
Asking for sportsmanship in football is like asking for 10/1 for a 1/3 chance from a bookmaker. Aint never gonna happen. To much money involved in the game for fair play. Where theres money involved there are parties that will corrupt the game and twist the rules to suit them.
Whilst I agree Sportmanship is very unlikely to take a turn for the better in football, I disagree it has anything to do with money.
There are golfers out there who earn more in a season than some players earn in a lifetime, yet they have no problems doing the ‘gentlemanly’ thing.
I think it’s more the fact that football is a team sport more than anything else. Can’t back up my opinion with any solid reasons I’m afraid, it’s just what I feel.
Asking for sportsmanship in football is like asking for 10/1 for a 1/3 chance from a bookmaker. Aint never gonna happen. To much money involved in the game for fair play. Where theres money involved there are parties that will corrupt the game and twist the rules to suit them.
Whilst I agree Sportmanship is very unlikely to take a turn for the better in football, I disagree it has anything to do with money.
There are golfers out there who earn more in a season than some players earn in a lifetime, yet they have no problems doing the ‘gentlemanly’ thing.
I think it’s more the fact that football is a team sport more than anything else. Can’t back up my opinion with any solid reasons I’m afraid, it’s just what I feel.
You cant compare Golf and Football though mate. Golf is a personal thing Football is soooo much bigger(as you say a team sport). Football has been ruined by money (where you been since the Premier league was concoted by Mr Dein and Mr White!!!). Theres an arrogance among Englishmen that runs right through our nationality particularly amongst our highly overpaid so called superstars!!.
Gosh, rather surprised this thread is so long.
There is no Sportsmanship in football, only Gamesmanship.
Hope that helps.
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Used to be a team many, many years ago, when they played in long trousers; who always played with sportspanship. If they fouled, they’d let the ref know, if they gave away a penalty, the goalkeeper would stand to one side for a certain goal. The team were known as The Old …. (something). There’s a saying the "Old (something) Spirit" named after them.The game was too physical in the 70’s, rarely a sending off. But at least we did not get the play-acting of todays fraudsters. Not normally anti-european, but fact is it got much worse with the influx of foreign players. Remember an outcry when Klinsman dived all over the place. Just what everyone does now.
Trouble is; we get all these pundits in the studio who’ve been players themselves. They’ve tried to con the ref in their day; so instead of blaming the player for diving, they have to blame the ref for "getting it badly wrong".
Why no ex-ref to give their side of things?
Value Is EverythingFootball has gone wrong, badly wrong. I have always been a football man, but am falling out of love with top level football. It is happening gradually over years, but it is undoubtably happening as year after year i become a little less interested in Richard Keys and the mob rabbiting on about The Premiership and all these "Premiership Records". Believe it or not Mr. Keys, but we had top flight football before you appeared with your shiny shoes in 1992.
So, so much money, yet nobody is willing to take responsibility for their failings, with managers, chairmen and of course those precious bunch the players, all hiding behind officials making honest, human errors. And pundits / media outlets joining in with the smokescreen.
What i would give to see the odious Andy Gray, Mr. SKY himself, attempt to referee a professional match and realise how difficult it actually is.
I used to think being born in Scunthorpe, and so being born in to being a fan of The Iron, was a curse – i now feel it was a blessing in disguise, and not because we are having a (likely brief) halcyon period in the second tier, but because we are supported by football people, managed by an honest genuine, nice bloke in Nigel Adkins who has time for anyone whilst eating locally with his family. Our players are blokes earning a living and young, hungry, lads.
These days, managers are playing mind games all the time. They think by criticising referees before the game, they can get referees to be kinder to their team.
Managers know if they criticise their own players, it may effect their confidence. And the player might take offence and want a transfer. They know not criticise the other team’s players, otherwise people will say "what about when your players do the same thing".
Therefore, their only way out is to criticise the ref. "It’s his fault we lost".
"Had we been given a corner five minutes earlier, they would not have scored". How rediculous is that?
Holland got the ball twice afterwards and were in a good position, just outside the box. What if Holland had scored from that position? Had Holland have been given a corner instead, Holland’s goal would not have been scored. Had a corner been given Spain might have got the ball straight from the corner, gone up the other end and scored.
Marwang wants to blame someone other than himself. The fact there were so many bad tackles by his team suggests it was deliberate disgraceful tactics instigated from Marwang himself. So it’s impossible for him to criticise his own players. He should be ashamed.
Value Is EverythingWas going to post on this thread, but Peruvian Chief has summed it up for me perfectly, especially with the Andy Gray comment. Glad I’m not alone.
Agree with everything you say……..apart from the being born in Scunthorpe bit!
I have refereed two amateur football matches; both times when the match ref failed to show up. Trust me, it’s only as difficult as players make it for you. In the first one, I had to listen to the captain constantly moaning in my ear for 90 mins – mainly about his forwards being caught off side. The second one was a breeze, but I had to book the bald, pug – like right back of one team for constant fouling. Both captains congratulated me at the end for having a fine match. I then retired.
I think the biggest problem in the professional game is that the vast majority of them have never played the game at any level – you can tell just by the way they run. Honestly !
It seems a prerequisite; especially in Scotland, that referees are chosen primarily because of their background and profession, be they lawyers, teachers, bankers etc. The SFA regard such men to have a certain in built air of authority and officiousness about them that the "ordinary" man somehow does not ( in their eyes ). 
Never mind that they generally cannot kick a ball in a straight line without falling on their arse. 
I am all for recruiting ex players to officiate matches; guys who actually understand the game.
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Football has gone wrong, badly wrong. I have always been a football man, but am falling out of love with top level football. It is happening gradually over years, but it is undoubtably happening as year after year i become a little less interested in Richard Keys and the mob rabbiting on about The Premiership and all these "Premiership Records". Believe it or not Mr. Keys, but we had top flight football before you appeared with your shiny shoes in 1992.
So, so much money, yet nobody is willing to take responsibility for their failings, with managers, chairmen and of course those precious bunch the players, all hiding behind officials making honest, human errors. And pundits / media outlets joining in with the smokescreen.
What i would give to see the odious Andy Gray, Mr. SKY himself, attempt to referee a professional match and realise how difficult it actually is.
I used to think being born in Scunthorpe, and so being born in to being a fan of The Iron, was a curse – i now feel it was a blessing in disguise, and not because we are having a (likely brief) halcyon period in the second tier, but because we are supported by football people, managed by an honest genuine, nice bloke in Nigel Adkins who has time for anyone whilst eating locally with his family. Our players are blokes earning a living and young, hungry, lads.
Great post mate, spot on.
Scunthorpe fans are OK btw we play darts against the London branch of their supporters club
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