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if that’s a genuine Group 1 today then Horse Racing is in serious trouble, nothing more than a trial and should be downgraded if owners/trainers can’t live up to the standards required.
Wasn’t too bad a race Mr.Wilson. It’s a pity the ground went against Famous Name who isn’t far off the top grade. Second in a French Derby from a horrific draw, and has amassed over £800,000 in prize money.
Likewise Campanologist has amassed over £650,000 in prize money and is a dual Group 1 winner. These aren’t bad horses but So You Think made them look ordinary.
That is unfair Mr Wilson, racecourses pay to run these Group 1 races and it is not their fault if trainers dodge (Workforce) and one trainer cannot be expected to supply two genuine G1 contenders to race against each other when it is against the owners stud policy (Await The Dawn).
Campanologist has won a couple of G1s in Germany are they supposed to be downgraded too because the British and Irish trainers do not send their horses over? These lesser European G1s can produce excellent racehorses – Electrocutionist and Shirocco to name two.
Wasn’t too bad a race Mr.Wilson. It’s a pity the ground went against Famous Name who isn’t far off the top grade. Second in a French Derby from a horrific draw, and has amassed over £800,000 in prize money.
Likewise Campanologist has amassed over £650,000 in prize money and is a dual Group 1 winner. These aren’t bad horses but So You Think made them look ordinary.
I agree, they were not trees like what he beat last time. I think I understand what Mr Wilson means though, in that it was essentially a three horse race worth €130k to the winner. Not really a worthy field all told for a Gp1 race, but there was quality in there.
I do think that if only four trainers can enter horses in what is basically a w/o for the place money then something is wrong somewhere.Anyone else impressed by what a beast the horse is? Very imposing creature, reminds me of that American horse from a few years back Curlin. This horse deserves to wrestle the nickname "the tank" from a horse he makes look like a yearling!
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Come one guys are you seriously telling me Campanologist is more than a Group 3 horses? was he not beaten 15.25l by So You Think in the Melbourne Cup – ok it was 2 miles but the point still stands he can barely raise a canter in Group 1 company and found two dross races in Germany to pick up, lets not forget he was battered by Dandino few weeks ago.
Famous Name isn’t a Group 1 horse, he’s barely a Group 2 animal althought he’s a fantastic little money spinner against 4-5 runner field of exposed handicappers trying their luck in graded races.
I find it hard to be impressed everytime a good horse wins, even harder in these joke races that The Curragh need to start encouraging more decent entries or lose it’s status. There would be no level of decorum if you praised every horse that won a race, he’s won as expect and for the horses sake lets hope its sooner rather than later he’s pitched against some better opposition.
It wasn’t the strongest Group 1 Mr.Wilson, I’ll give you that. But most Group 1’s are made of Group 2/3 animals trying their luck at the top level.
Take this year’s Coronation Cup for example. The likelihood is that at most there will be 2 genuine Group 1 animals: Midday and St.Nicholas Abbey. The rest will probably be running for prize-money.
Imo given the right conditions Famous Name would be competitive at the top level. Is he a genuine Group 1 animal? No, but he’s not far off it.
And on the subject of Campanologist, if it’s so simple to win those German Group 1’s, why don’t more people send horses over?
I think we’re in agreement though that far tougher tasks lie ahead of So You Think.
Wilson give the horse some credit! He could no more than win easily and that is what he has done. If he was winning mickey mouse Group 1s in AUstralia like you accuse Campanologist of doing in Germany then sure this would have been a lot closer?
From seeing the replay he won that in a canter without coming off the bridle. Of course he has much harder tasks ahead as does Frankel, Canford Cliffs et al surely?
It is always a mistake to base a horses talent on one exceptional race but you have to appreciate a good performance when you see one.
It was not a Group 1 field….but Workforce should have run and didn’t. Very disappointing from Stoute but i guess he was right.
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It wasn’t the strongest Group 1 Mr.Wilson, I’ll give you that. But most Group 1’s are made of Group 2/3 animals trying their luck at the top level.
Take this year’s Coronation Cup for example. The likelihood is that at most there will be 2 genuine Group 1 animals: Midday and St.Nicholas Abbey. The rest will probably be running for prize-money.
True: but part of the pleasure of Group 1’s is seeing less exposed Group 2 and 3 horses stepping up to the plate, to see whether they can cut the mustard (there’s a mixed metaphor for you!)
That’s what the beloved
Dandino
, referenced by Mr W above, will be doing in the
Coronation
. It’s worth remembering that he’s the only Course winner likely to be taking part, unless
Fame and Glory
turns up to try and retain his crown; and if he gets his firm ground, he’ll be a very popular each way choice.
Midday ought to beat him, and so should
Snow Fairy
; but I am not worried about
St. Nicholas Abbey
, who finished the
Ormonde
as if there was something not quite right about his hind quarters. Under pressure at Epsom I wouldn’t touch this colt with a barge pole.
It’s definitely time for the Tattersalls Gold Cup to be downgraded.
2006 – 3 runners, 1/4F won by 7l
2008 – 6 runners, 1/2F won by 1 1/4l
2010 – 6 runners, 8/15F won by 7l
2011 – 5 runners, 1/7F won by 4.5lThe average field size is appalling, it’s uncompetitive more years than not, has an average winning margin in the last 6 years of over 4 lengths.
Of course, the average race rating has been distorted – and will continue to be – by one very highly rated horse, even by Group 1 standards, running in the race each year.
However, I find So You Think a pleasure to watch, like he was in Australia, and he is incredible like Mr O’Brien said. (I’m cautious about O’Brien quotes) The ease of the way he gallops, the stride and physical looks. Truly wonderful and a reminder why I stick with this sport despite "political" issues.
I’m relishing the chance to see Workforce take him on, although it’s unlikely to happen at 10f.
Wasn’t impressed. Had him in a winning 5-fold but wasn’t impressed at all. Campanologist by our standards is a Group 3 horse. At best. Over 1m 4f. I was considering not backing Planteur in the Prince of Wales’ but now I most definitely will be.
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Early season all-aged gp1’s such as the Tattersalls, Lockinge and Coronation Cup are generally weakly contested, offer smaller purses, and usually only attract the top tier as warm-ups for the more prestigious events later in the season.
So You Think may prove to be a world-beater eventually, but beating a gp2 12f horse such as Campanologist (gp3 at best, over 10f) off none to searching a pace proves little we didn’t already know.
The King George, over 2f further, against proper gp1 horses, and usually run at a real racing pace, will tell us much more about the horse – still think he may struggle, personally.
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