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You could argue that Coolmore "need" to up High Chaparral’s European profile, but surely his record speaks for itself, admittedly after a slowish start.
He stood in Ireland this season at 25,000 Euros (roughly £22,000) and his advertised stud fee in Australia is 99,000 Aus dollars (£65,000).
In the 2009/10 Australian racing season, he finished in 10th place, by earnings.
In the current 2010/11 season, which ends in a few weeks time, he sits in 2nd place, and will end up either 2nd or 3rd.
He has a great reputation down under, a lot of high-profile performances this year even outside of So You Think. He’s dominating the middle-distance/staying races, but I guess Europe is a different story :
IMO if he wins a 3rd cox plate he is in the top few horses to ever race in Australia. and if he turns up 90% fit or better he will win as middle distance weight for age racing in AUS is that not deep at the moment.. However if he wins an arc then he will be the best middle/stayer distance horse in the world and one of the all time greats to dominate both hemispheres. That cant be disputed. Whether he is capable of winning an arc, I’m not sure. But he has done nothing to prove he cant so deserves his go. He did just beat last years arc winner giving him 2 lengths with 2 to go so class is not a problem. Wouldn’t think 12f would be either be as long as he settles. He never has a bad run, always gives everything and is very adaptable.
Im an Australian and love seeing him in australia, but he deserves his chance to put his name up there with the greats. Whether coolmore will risk it is another matter. But imagine his reputation/stud fee with and arc next to his name..
Aidan O’Brien seems to be suggesting that he might be looking to drop See You Think BACK in trip to a mile.
What on earth will Bart Cummings – who has been critical of how the horse has been trained – make of that piece of news?
I can see Australian/Irish relations being dealt another blow!!
The wrong move in my opinion. That means that he will simply see Frankels rear end disappearing into the distance all next season.
I think that they would simply be better keeping him off dirt. Am I mistaken or do High Chaparral’s stock have a poor record on the surface ?Isn’t it the case that anything that has Sadler’s Wells in the pedigree performs poorly on dirt, in general?
Thats certainly my understanding David, and most certainly with High Chaparral. Happy to stand corrected though by any of the breeding experts.
Isn’t it the case that anything that has Sadler’s Wells in the pedigree performs poorly on dirt, in general?
There is the El Prado, Medaglia D’Oro line. I think that’s an exception to the rule case though.
Reet’s said in Europe SYT would be seen to best effect at a mile due to the greater test of stamina – maybe Aidan needs replacing if he’s only just worked it out?
Shouldn’t forget, "Bart" has won a Group 2 with SYT over 1400m.
Controversial for sure. His comments suggest that So You Think would probably continue running 10f as well as a mile, but I’m a bit disturbed by this to be honest. He looked to run better than Snow Fairy in the 12f Arc and 10f Irish Champion, but ran poor in the Champion Stakes. That hardly suggests that he’s a miler IMO.
And they slapped blinkers on a keen horse so I’m not sure why they would put so much weight on how SYT wanted to go fast early, wasn’t a surprise to me at least. But I look forward to seeing him over a mile.
His best run was when beating Workforce. He should not see the front until the last moment no matter how eager the jockey is. Heffernan rode him perfectly when beating Workforce.The jockeys need blinkers not the horse.
So You Think was always going to face a tougher test here than he did in Australia. He is facing better class horses for a start. He ran well in America but a combination of surface, lack of a fast pace and good home opposition meant he was up against it.
Back to mile ? Big mistake. They won’t take Frankel on anyway if they do step back. That would be pointless as So You Think would get leathered.
Aidan O’Brien appears not to know which distance suits So You Think best and I suspect that Bart Cummings is thinking that Aidan hasn’t a clue and that the bloomin Irish fella has buggered up his horse
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So You Think seems to travel pretty easily in his races, and it’s possible that on stiffer European tracks a mile would suit him better than longer.
It will be interesting to see him take on Frankel next year.
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Reet’s said in Europe SYT would be seen to best effect at a mile due to the greater test of stamina – maybe Aidan needs replacing if he’s only just worked it out?
Pleased someone reads my posts Jose – though, when I’m a few quid in front of the Coolmore mafioso, I’ll be in a position to advise them on placing their horses.
Clearly, the horse did not have a problem with the surface, as he travelled much like the winner on it until the closing stages. He did, however, just as clearly have a problem with the distance, as he was overtaken by a number of lesser mokes within the final few yards of the race.
Ran the race of his life in the Arc, over a distance way in excess of his optimum. Roll on his appearance over a stiff European mile, then we might really see why the Aussies enthuse about him.Breeding talk/advert. They know fine well he’s not a miler. The ‘ we’re still getting to know him’ line is an excuse for his defeats. He has been beaten fair and square by Rewilding, Danedream, Cirrus Des Aigles and Drosselmeyer. He won’t be beating any top milers next season. That’s just my take on it.
^…yes, I think it’s a case of excuses, excuses for this horse, who people seem to try to make into a Champion of the world, when he clearly isn’t and never was. Great run in the Classic though.
I find it strange that anyone can think he ran better than Snow Fairy in the Arc, or that he ran poorly in the Champion Stakes, when just getting touched off – smacks a little of sour grapes to me, that.
With Frankel supposedly going for all the best 10f races next year, the Queen Anne might be his for the taking. I suspect they will aim him at that, and later the QEII. If there is a clash, the Eclipse would be the one, wouldn’t it?
Nice to see the ‘Arc form upheld so far.
I find it strange that anyone can think he ran better than Snow Fairy in the Arc, or that he ran poorly in the Champion Stakes, when just getting touched off – smacks a little of sour grapes to me, that.
Do you think Shareta ran a better race than Snow Fairy and So You Think in the Arc? If you believe she did, then you must believe that there’s a chance she’s a better 12f horse than those two, right?
…well, yes, I feel I’m stating the obvious, but of course she was marginally the better 2400m horse on the day in the ‘Arc, the way the race was run – that is – fast and furious with no quarter given, and being the tough, dour stayer that she is, was well placed to take advantage of that, surging past St Nicholas Abbey to regain the lead after he briefly took over.
I do not accept views from connections that she is not as good as Sarafina either – not under these similar, albeit rare conditions, when she would be much the better.
Compare the slowly run Prix Vermeille where she got collared by two who she resoundly turned the tables on in the ‘Arc – a race run 10 seconds quicker.Neither do I accept poor jockeyship as an excuse for So You Think or Snow Fairy, there are too many of these offered up to suit an agenda and it doesn’t wash with me. Not good enough on the day.
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