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The analogy with road traffic deaths is a classic example of tu quoque whataboutism and therefore really not worth a response
Attempting debate with an individual whose opinion – and that’s all it is – manifests itself as entrenched paranoid zealotry is also pointless
Unrestricted breathing is not a “right” by any stretch of the imagination.
Breathing is simply a biological function to support life – life is transient, we are all going to die at some point – the trouble is most humans cannot accept their own mortality.
As for the “god (sic) given” part – based on the fact there is no such thing as God, there cannot be any God given right for anything – so nothing to debate there.
God only exists in peoples minds because most, again, cannot accept their mortality, so the thought of a God offering “eternal life” gives them a kop out to avoid the inevitable.
It is the arrogance of the human psyche and false feeling of superiority as a species, leading to a feeling there should, somehow, be immortality.
Personally I have no qualms about dying – at the end of the day, once I’m dead I’ll know nothing about it – I’ll simply cease to exist in my current form. As matter cannot be destroyed the component atoms and molecules that form my body will ultimately get utilised elsewhere – so technically speaking you could say there is life after death – life Jim, but not as we know it. Anyone who lives downwind of a crematorium will probably have loads of different peoples molecules and atoms as part of their bodies – now there’s a sobering thought.
Ideally, I would like to be able to die at a time of my choosing but accept that may not happen. One thing I do know for sure is I have no intention of ending my days in a so called “care home” – I’ll take a one way trip to a more civilised jurisdiction like Switzerland, Belgium or The Netherlands before that ever happened.
Final thought for this post – are pandemics actually a bad thing?
The world is overpopulated, mankind is systematically destroying the planet.
Maybe (I believe, actually) mankind isn’t the most intelligent lifeform on the planet – after all we can easily be taken out by something as insignificant as a virus or bacteria. Both can evolve and adapt more adeptly and speedily than humankind ever can.
Maybe the human population does need culling – but it’s the planet as a whole that is protecting itself and culling the humans, not some conspiratorial “world power”
I look forward to David Icke’s response
Richard88, do not despair. Thanks to the ‘paranoid zealots’, I have learned about Dunning-Kruger and tu quoque. TRF: always educational. I have also just read a post that I could have written myself – well said, paulostermeyer.
Bonus points for track title and band lol:
“Have you ever thought about your soul can it be saved?
Or perhaps you think that when you’re dead you just stay in your grave
Is God just a thought within your head or is he a part of you?
Is Christ just a name that you read in a book when you were in school?
When you think about death do you lose your breath or do you keep your cool?
Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope do you think he’s a fool?
Well I have seen the truth, yes I’ve seen the light and I’ve changed my ways
And I’ll be prepared when you’re lonely and scared at the end of our days
Could it be you’re afraid of what your friends might say
If they knew you believe in God above?
They should realize before they criticize
That God is the only way to love
Is your mind so small that you have to fall
In with the pack wherever they run
Will you still sneer when death is near
And say they may as well worship the sun?
I think it was true it was people like you that crucified Christ
I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced
Will you be so sure when your day is near, say you don’t believe?
You had the chance but you turned it down, now you can’t retrieve
Perhaps you’ll think before you say that God is dead and gone
Open your eyes, just realize that he’s the one
The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate
Or will you still jeer at all you hear, yes I think it’s too late”I only know it’s black sabbath because of a mates obsession with them. What I find depressing is that like most debates both sides are entrenched and not listening to the other sides point of view. I do have a certain view on the virus backed up by folk I know who have a good knowledge of the virus as that’s their chosen field. One of whom works in a lab not a million miles away from China. That doesn’t make me more correct than anybody else. As a certain clinical psychologist said always assume when debating someone that they know thingsvyou don’t. Whichever view you have these are weird and surreal times when folks sheep instinct has been laid bare and very few folk are thinking rationally. As many happy folk have said don’t let events that you have no control of take over your life.
I’ve now decided to get myself as fit and as healthy as I can so to be ready for any future viruses whether they are real or not and man made accidents or animal crossovers. The virus is now become by an utter pain and is really getting on my wick.Good post Mickey, particularly the “sheep instinct” line.
I rarely get into discussions on this part of the forum, because like any platform, and any topic, as you rightly say, everyone gets entrenched in their own views, and debate becomes pointless.
There’s some very sensible posts on here, which don’t follow the official line, but some of it a bit more outlandish, which gives people the chance to roll out that very lazy label of “conspiracy theorist”.
With everything in life, people can only be advised to see what they see, and not what they’re told to see.
After Forever – from the album Master Of Reality
1971 – the time I went out to see a live band 2-3 times a week.
Happy days.
I’m high risk so happy to wear a mask when needed.
Yesterday I popped to the chip shop for the first time since lock down began, fed up of cooking…
If eyes could smile the lady behind the counters eyes did as I approached the door and put my mask on.
That will do for me.Blackbeard to conquer the World
Thanks Chris.
It came to me as I recently watched a quirky documentary on BBC4 – “Rockfield:The Studio On The Farm” and Ozzy Osbourne contributed.
Well worth a watch.
On the bright side
we haven’t had the Shergar cup this yearBlackbeard to conquer the World
Unrestricted breathing is a god given human right
Hmm. If you ever need brain surgery, the surgeon who opens your lid and tinkers about underneath will be wearing a mask. For hours. As will the anaesthetist keeping you alive.
They really don’t restrict breathing. If surgeons can operate in warm theatres wearing masks, builders and arable farmhands can wear N95s working in dusty environments and soldiers can fight in full NBC gear, then I’m sure the rest of us can pull a scarf up over our noses whilst picking up the bread and milk in Tesco.I wear a surgical mask all day at work now (2m distancing often not possible) except when eating lunch. Granted I’ve ditched the visor- it’s a pain- but the mask is easy. The visor was for my benefit, the mask for clients and colleagues.
What I find unbelievably ironic is that the govt is telling everybody to get out and spend to save the economy after scaring the crap out of most folk with their campaign to stay home. Is it any surprise folk are quite happy to socialise in their gardens with no risk rather than go out. Then if the economy crashes it’s the publics fault. You couldn’t make this nonsense up. Also many institutions warning of a second, more deadly wave. Surreal.
When you and your families are starving to death this winter due to the orchestrated major food shortages many of you will readjust your opinion But by this point it will be too late.
Even if you think you are relatively well off financially and it won’t effect you remember that you can have a billion pounds in your pocket but if no food is in the shops then that billion pounds becomes irrelevant.
If you have stocked up on food you will become a target of the starving masses who will do whatever needs to be done.
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