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Should all owners be welcomed with open arms to Horse Racing, including given awards for appreciation of his/her contribution to Horse Racing etc… even if away from Horse Racing he/she is a nasty little ….?
I know there is an arguement that many owners have done very very bad stuff but is there a level that should not be allowed?
If Hitler was alive today and gave lots of money to good causes within Horse Racing, would he be welcomed with open arms and even given awards for his contribution to Horse Racing?
Should a line be drawn for what an owner has done away from Horse Racing and if so where should that line be drawn?
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Personally, I believe anyone (Hitler included) should be allowed to own racehorses – because it is so difficult to know where to draw that line. But some should not imo be physically or metaphorically welcomed with open arms or given awards for appreciation of their contribution to Horse Racing. No matter how much money he/she’s thrown at good causes within Horse Racing.Value Is EverythingIf Hitler was alive he’d be 130!
If metorphorically speaking an imaginary racehorse owner sunk millions of pounds into his adopted local centre of racing, perhaps the local dignitaries might press for that owner to be made a Freeman of the town. Would one be satisfied if the council hypothetically refused to bestow such an honour and rather simply said thank you instead?I think if owners are not allowed to lay their own horse(s) which is good practise then they should also not be allowed to be big dick of betting company’s either ie betbright
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I’m probably wrong but I think Gingertipster was making a vague reference to how racing in the UK is so dependent on the support of Arab princes and the dubious human rights policies that they have in their countries.
Recent events such as the murder of Jamal Khashoggi should be embarrassing to the hierarchy of British racing but the sport has become so reliant on the investments of these royal families that it is very difficult to see a solution to the problem (if indeed they see it as such).
It makes me very uncomfortable that we are so dependent on the involvement and support of some of the Arabian royalty.
If you’re not Hitler or no other sort of ‘villain’ involved in politics and you would want to have a runner in Hongkong, do you think that you could make just one critical comment towards the Chinese Government without being banned from entering the colony?
No way you could, because your opinion wouldn’t correspond to the one they want to indoctrinate in their own country.
In (western) Europe we still have freedom of speech and we should have the guts to avoid or even ban some sort of dictators who try to influence the normal development of our society. Money should never make you dependent of someone else.Racing has to enforce law within it’s own jurisdiction and let the relevant authorities worry about enforcing laws regarding other matters.
Which dictators try to influence the normal development of our society Ruby?
All that aren’t elected by people’s votes plus various others elected by their own people who have no other real choice.
Hitler was a vegetarian and along with other prominent members of the Nazi Party was keen on ‘animal rights’ so it’s debatable whether they would have approved of horse racing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_GermanyThey also had plans for breeding a ‘master race’ of ‘germanicized’ pure-white horses from the Austrian Lipizzaner
An extract from a book on the subject here:
The Secret Nazi Attempt to Breed the Perfect Horseand a summary of the General Patton-organised rescue of horses at the end of the war here:
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/02/sport/perfect-horse-world-war-ii/index.htmlWe could just ban Hitler’s horses from the likes of Sandown, Ascot and Kempton as they all prefer going reich handed
Lol Joe (Steeplechasing) I nearly choked laughing on my cornflakes when I read your comment
this morning
Spot on Colin, some Arab princes (or anyone else wherever they come from whose human rights record is poor). But right now particularly Sheikh Mohammed, Re the plight of his daughter Princess Latifa who we are not allowed to mention in this section. Oops, just did.
Value Is EverythingI but know it is not about people, but he has left Shadwell Park fall into repair. I am part of the campaigning group The Victorian Society. The house has been listed as one of the ten most buildings of risk, but this is unusual as this is the second time the house has made the list. Bearing in mind how much those yearlings cost at the Houghton Sales this year, the care of the mansion would be minuscule. This a major listed grade one building.
This and the human rights record is making me sick of watching racing.Jeepers Ginger, I’m surprised you’d find it difficult to draw a line in the case of a potential owner who had been directly responsible for the death of millions…
At least he wasn’t Arab I suppose.
Godwin’s Law halfway down the opening post, nice.
But to address the question, football for example has a fit and proper persons test for owners and directors so perhaps racing could do something similar. I believe it’s more to do with financial matters than moral ones in the case of football but at least there’s some qualification beyond ‘having incredibly deep pockets’.
Would it be acceptable if say Rolf Harris or Stuart Hall had horse(s) in training. I guess there would be few, if any, trainers willing to take the horse(s) on.
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