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Mrs Tsiu seems to have quite a gift when it comes to breeding horses, and I’m sure that they will be pretty selective about which mares are suitable. [remember it was her idea to use Cape Cross]. As for the Brigadier, a friend told me that, brilliant as he was on the racetrack his breeding was unfashionable, and you tend to need both to be a successful stallion. Does anyone know of stallions that did break the mould in this way?
I know there’s no guarantees in the world of breeding, but if the son or daughter of the STS – Zarkava union produces anything less than a multiple group one winning animal, I’ll stop dreaming.
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Would a ‘private’ fee of 450,000 euros be too much to ask for STS’s services?It has to be longish odds against this mating producing a Group 1 winner, genetics doesn’t really work like that (unfortunately!).
The Sadler’s Wells – Detroit couplings make for salutary reading:
Honfleur
Carnegie
Wayne CountyOne outta three ain’t bad
Put the best to the best and hope for the best indeed
Would a ‘private’ fee of 450,000 euros be too much to ask for STS’s services?
The report I saw said 85, 000 euros.
…As for the Brigadier, a friend told me that, brilliant as he was on the racetrack his breeding was unfashionable, and you tend to need both to be a successful stallion. Does anyone know of stallions that did break the mould in this way?
I suppose that Star Kingdom would be a good example of a horse with an unfashionable pedigree (by Stardust ex a Concerto mare) who became a stupendous success at stud. At a lower level, but nearer in time and place, Pivotal might qualify as well.
Drone, you couldn’t really call Sadler’s Wells a champion on the racecourse, although he was one of the best of his age.
It has to be longish odds against this mating producing a Group 1 winner, genetics doesn’t really work like that (unfortunately!).
Yes, 450,000 Euros would be too much to ask, probably by a factor of at least 5.
The reason why I estimated such a huge (and ridiculous) fee was because I remember Dubai Millenium costing £300,000 a pop all those years ago?…
Please out me right, I’m confused now
extract from Hotspur in Telegraph 14 Oct:
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…the big question now facing Sea The Stars is how will he take to his new role? A completely different question to those asked of him on the track. Will he prove fertile, capable of serving 100 to 130 mares (each at a predicted fee of around €75,000)…..
…Over the past two decades, Sadler’s Wells proved himself the most successful commercial sire ever. His stud fee was listed as ‘private’, but was estimated to be in excess of £200,000 in his prime. His sire, Northern Dancer, stood for a staggering $500,000 in his final season.
In today’s tough financial climate, his descendants carry on the family name, for both racecourse performance and popularity. The three most successful stallions are Galileo (believed to stand for €150,000), Danehill Dancer and Montjeu (both for between an estimated €80,000 and €100,000).
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Drone, you couldn’t really call Sadler’s Wells a champion on the racecourse, although he was one of the best of his age.
And of course there is that old cliche ‘the best racemares don’t make the best broodmares’ which while no doubt being far too simplistic a generalisation does lead me to think that those expecting a world-beater from the Sea The Stars – Zarkava unison would be well advised to lower their expectations in order to prevent disappointment.Interesting though the progeny will be, and unless born with three legs will no doubt command top-dollar if sent through the sales ring
So we will never know if he would have retained his ability as a 4-y-o or his he was better that 2010’s 3-year-olds
Sea The Stars is the *STAR* of 2009, but we will never know if he would have been a superstar or not.
Superstars no not run away from competition.
What an absolute pisser it would be if he failed to fire live rounds.
Yeah then we might seem him race again. What a horror for the "sport???"
What a crazy game.
SHL
I can’t wait for Cregg Rose to be sent to him.
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I can’t wait for Cregg Rose to be sent to him.
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I’m sure she’d be cock-a-hoop at the prospect and would no doubt teach him a trick or two, but visions of Wayne Rooney and the ‘Auld Slapper’, sadly, remove all the romance.
Sea the Stars and Zarkava??!!
Perfect breeding…for a Champion Hurdler.
My thoughts exactly Bosranic. My immediate reaction was that it will end up in a claimer at Auteuil where a certain Mr Pipe or one Mr C Smith will get it for a knock down price and end up at Newton Abbott under Tony McCoy or Ruby Walsh.
Alternatively, Paul Barber buys it and it wins a West Country Maiden at somewhere like Holnicote or Bishop’s Court or Shipley Park,then runs in the Foxhunter before moving to Mr Nichols yard for the stable amateur to ride
Sea the Stars and Zarkava??!!
Perfect breeding…for a Champion Hurdler.
My thoughts exactly Bosranic. My immediate reaction was that it will end up in a claimer at Auteuil where a certain Mr Pipe or one Mr C Smith will get it for a knock down price and end up at Newton Abbott under Tony McCoy or Ruby Walsh.
Alternatively, Paul Barber buys it and it wins a West Country Maiden at somewhere like Holnicote or Bishop’s Court or Shipley Park,then runs in the Foxhunter before moving to Mr Nichols yard for the stable amateur to ride
What odds it shows up in the Dingle Derby under the assumed name "Aga’s Pride"?
Would be a nice touch if the young Kerry lad riding it was wearing green silks with red epaulets.
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