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  • #382316
    Avatar photoJohnnyB
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    I thought it was funny. He must have thought the handicapper was a mug turning in for ‘the finish’.

    he must think the viewers, the stewards and richard pitman (well i can understand that one) are all mugs too.

    #382324
    Coggy
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    It is patently obvious to all that he rode a finish a circuit too soon. He actually looked over his shoulder for challengers on 3 occaisions, and certainly made no attempt to pull the horse up before the finishing line.

    #382332
    Avatar photoMarkTT
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    It is patently obvious to all that he rode a finish a circuit too soon. He actually looked over his shoulder for challengers on 3 occaisions, and certainly made no attempt to pull the horse up before the finishing line.

    Which begs the question – why no further enquiry ? If the stewards don’t believe his excuse and so impose the ban , they must assume he’s lied to them. Fallon was fined for not giving full disclosure to Chester stewards

    His father’s influence ?

    #382339
    eddie case
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    It is patently obvious to all that he rode a finish a circuit too soon. He actually looked over his shoulder for challengers on 3 occaisions, and certainly made no attempt to pull the horse up before the finishing line.

    Which begs the question – why no further enquiry ? If the stewards don’t believe his excuse and so impose the ban , they must assume he’s lied to them. Fallon was fined for not giving full disclosure to Chester stewards

    His father’s influence ?

    You can’t accuse people willy nilly of lying Mark therefore they just don’t accept Wally Cohen’s explanation and leave it at that.
    They had evidence and proof against Fallon.

    How many folk thought Sean Fox jumped off Ice Saint a few years ago but he was exonerated.

    #382342
    seanryan
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    For anyone interested this is the rule :

    10.1 Subject to Paragraph 11, a riding suspension imposed on an Amateur Rider will apply

    10.1.1 when the Rule Contravention occurs in a flat race, on those days when a flat Amateur Riders race for which the Amateur Rider is eligible is programmed to take place in Great Britain;
    10.1.2 when the Rule Contravention occurs in a steeple chase or hurdle race, on those days when either an Amateur Riders steeple chase or hurdle race for which the Amateur Rider is eligible is programmed to take place in Great Britain;
    10.1.3 when the Rule Contravention occurs in a National Hunt Flat Race, on those days when a National Hunt Flat Race for which the Amateur Rider is eligible is programmed to take place in Great Britain.

    #382343
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    I seem to recall a famous jockey of the time riding a furious ‘finish’ on an equally well known grey horse back in the 60s. He realised his mistake after passing the line and tried to galvanise the horse back into gallop mode. The horse was having none of it and he had to pull up. Sorry I can’t remember the names of those concerned and I’m sure it’s happened since.

    #382347
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    I wonder if it could have been Stalbridge Colonist and possibly Stan Mellor? Apologies to Mr. Mellor if it wasn’t him.

    #382349
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    I would have thought that anyone who thought their horse had choked so badly that it needed pulling up might at least get off, take off the tight noseband it was wearing, and have a look!!!!

    #382360
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    It is patently obvious to all that he rode a finish a circuit too soon. He actually looked over his shoulder for challengers on 3 occaisions, and certainly made no attempt to pull the horse up before the finishing line.

    Which begs the question – why no further enquiry ? If the stewards don’t believe his excuse and so impose the ban , they must assume he’s lied to them. Fallon was fined for not giving full disclosure to Chester stewards

    His father’s influence ?

    You can’t accuse people willy nilly of lying Mark therefore they just don’t accept Wally Cohen’s explanation and leave it at that.
    They had evidence and proof against Fallon.

    How many folk thought Sean Fox jumped off Ice Saint a few years ago but he was exonerated.

    They have accused him of lying by not accepting his explanation.

    #382371
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    Riding out a finish a circuit too soon is not uncommon at Fakenham.

    Recently Fallon was "done" for misleading a steward – it will be interesting to see if Mr Waley-Cohen faces a similar charge, assuming he proffered the tongue swallowing excuse to the stewards.

    It is interesting to note previous offending "early circuit" riders at Fakenham have at least had the decency to apologise.

    #382374
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    Riding out a finish a circuit too soon is not uncommon at Fakenham.

    Why do you think that is Paul? Is there some feature of the course that hoodwinks them or just a statistical anomaly?

    #382377
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    Riding out a finish a circuit too soon is not uncommon at Fakenham.

    Why do you think that is Paul? Is there some feature of the course that hoodwinks them or just a statistical anomaly?

    I can only think it is because it is a very tight circuit and they lose count. It is interesting it seems more prevalent in chases.

    The dolling off of the fence in front of the stands(omitted at the finish)isn’t particularly clear and that is, perhaps, one area where the course could be proactive.

    Huntingdon, for example, also have a similar jump configuration and they put large chevron marked barriers across the fence on the final circuit. Last time I was at Fakenham I seem to recall it was a couple of traffic bollards.

    #382378
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    You’d have thought, or hoped, that something might have clicked when he saw the rest of the field motionless on looking over his shoulder turning for home. He must have thought he’d literally rode them all to sleep! I can’t see how any jockey with a sense of feel for what he’s riding can make such a mistake. It really makes you wonder.

    #382379
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    You’d have thought, or hoped, that something might have clicked when he saw the rest of the field motionless on looking over his shoulder turning for home. He must have thought he’d literally rode them all to sleep! I can’t see how any jockey with a sense of feel for what he’s riding can make such a mistake. It really makes you wonder.

    For me the looking over the shoulder was the biggest "give away" he was riding out the finish.

    This was his third ride at the course, had it been his first there may (if you want to be charitable) have been some mitigating factor.

    #382381
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    I had a previous thread on how Long Run deserved a proper jockey, but on this occasion I felt that anyone can make a mistake. I remember the great Eddie Harty riding a finish on the penultimate circuit of the Scottish Grand National.
    However, instead of being a man, admitting his mistake and apologizing to the punters he comes up with a risible excuse.
    As Scott Fitzgerald said "The rich are different from us."

    #382391
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    Riding out a finish a circuit too soon is not uncommon at Fakenham.

    Why do you think that is Paul? Is there some feature of the course that hoodwinks them or just a statistical anomaly?

    Short course. Rare to require that many circuits of a course to complete a race.

    #382394
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    I wonder did the horse choke on the silver spoon that young Sam I sure has many times

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