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    LD73
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    The mistake he made down the back wouldn’t have helped and you could tell as they turned to the 2nd last that Ruby wasn’t travelling as you would have like him to be – but 20s is a bit of a knee jerk reaction as you look at his form last year before the Champion and it was a mixed bag to say the least.

    #1390722
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    Ham – I pushed the report button when I meant the reply button, apologies.

    What I meant to do was reply that it’s Samcro been pushed to 20s not Melon.

    #1390723
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    Melon is the one. Notice that all of the Mullins horses having their first run this week seen to need it badly. And I include footpad and great field as neither completed last time.

    The Mullins horses that have had the advantage of a run have outperformed.
    Aramon, quick Grabim, small farm, kemboy, Sharjah are all examples.

    Samcro is just not good enough. Last year’s top novice hurdlers were a bad bunch. In particular the ones who were in the frame at the Cheltenham festival.

    But we’ll done to Sharjah. Galway hurdle, morgiana hurdle and now Ryanair hurdle. The presence of Tombstone is where the value of the form might be doubtful. But I reckon he was given a peach of a ride by Davy. Buveur Dair simply didn’t beat much at Newcastle did he?

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    Tombstone was given about a 10 meter head start and had it all his own way up front; it was also his 5th start of the season. Think Melon ran ok given he needed the run and he always runs well at Cheltenham. What’s puzzling is Sharjah and Samcro.

    When they met in Down Royal; Samcro gave Sharjah 8lbs and beat him by 3L. Today off Evens Sharjah beat Samcro by 8L. That’s a 19lb reversal :wacko: Did Sharjah have an off day in Down Royal or did Samcro have an off day today? Does this now mean Faugheen actually ran ok in the Morgiana? It’s just so hard to get a handle on it.

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    Samcro just looks too slow; it does put BDs performance in the Fighting Fifth in perspective tho. CH much more open than we thought a few days ago

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    I see a lot of folk saying Samcro definitely needs fences- will fences help him see out a finish?

    He’s finding zero when push comes to shove. Is that because he’s slow or something isn’t right?

    I’d imagine if a fence was in front of him the same outcome would be happening as over hurdles.

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    #1390738
    thewexfordman
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    Yes, looks likes he’s just not good enough

    #1390740
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    Did he pick up a slight injury last season [my memory not good these days, alas]? Maybe he just hasn’t got over it.

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    Finding it hard to get a hand on the Novice hurdlers from last year. Yes Sharjah looks decent now, but others have patently failed to progress or the level wasn’t very good.

    Ballymore- Black Op would need to run well in the Dipper- he looked quite good even if defeated.

    Next Destination still to come out, but even his form could be looked at questionably?

    Vision De Flos?

    The Supreme?

    The ground was a lot softer at Chelt than it’s been this Winter perhaps that’s playing an important part in the form looking questionable.

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    #1390744
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    2 mile championship races are a different ball game to a JLT or a Stayers hurdle or an RSA. Connections just got his programme all wrong as I and some others suspected.
    Im not prepared to write him off yet over a distance of 2 miles five plus.

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    I think Supasundae in a soft ground CH could go pretty close to winning. Saying that, in a good ground Stayers he would also. Very versatile horse that one and a big step up today on his last run :yes:

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    Looked back through a few Samcro races now. Sorry to say that he’s simply soft – little or no heart for a battle

    #1390775
    ham
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    Lol joe, what races you talking about

    Im not samcros biggest fan by all means but you cant trumpet now that he has no battle, he won 8/8 pretty much easily, fell in his 9th when almost guaranteed atleast 2nd in an open company grade 1 as a novice

    His reappearance you can forgive

    His hammering from BVD you can definitely forgive

    Samcros first real shocker was today, this was his worst race by a mile, not sure were the notion hes soft can suddenly come from

    #1390788
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    I wouldn’t write off Samcro just yet; remember how highly touted Don Cossack was during his bumper career; was rather underwhelming as a novice hurdler + chaser, but eventually became the dominant staying chaser before his injury

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    MAybe tactics explain Sharjahs defeat at Down Royal?

    Sharjah winning the Galway Hurdle; Patrick Mullins on board, came from off the pace carrying top weight.

    Sharjah beaten at Down Royal; has less weight to carry than Bedrock and Samcro. Ruby on board, he makes the running and sets it up for Samcro and Bedrock

    Sharjah wins the Morgiana with Townend on board by coming from off the pace with Faugheen making the running

    Sharjah wins the RyanAir Hurdle with Patrick on board again coming from off the pace which was set by Tombstone.

    He’s only 5 and he likes good ground.

    #1390795
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    ham, you can’t judge a horse’s appetite for a battle until he gets into one. Easing clear victories at 4s on tell you nowt about the horse’s heart.

    He put up zero fight when Bedrock passed him – zero. Watch the race again – Bedrock went past him, didn’t out battle him, simply galloped by (quite how that one is 40s for March after yesterday, God knows).

    He found nil against Buveur D’Air – zero.

    He looked to have a real chance going to the last yesterday – his neck was as stretched as it can be for Samcro, which is never a lot anyway, but as soon as he got crowded at that jump he wrapped it immediately.His head came back, his neck relaxed and he slowed noticeably – he threw the towel in.

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    I wouldn’t overly want to trust this form although Sharjah was impressive and Supasundae has run his usual game race. Melon looked a bit undercooked so may be an overreaction to say he’s a lost cause for the Champion Hurdle.

    I think it’s less a case that Samcro needs fences a more a case that he needs 3 miles and the easier the ground the better. Look at the staying power he showed to win the Ballymore.

    I can see him running in the Stayers Hurdle.

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