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  • #908
    Wayward Lad
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    Today i have observed the most ridulous, cruel,whip madness i have seen for ages, rubys ride of Natal just to beat a stable mate ridden by another idiot in sam thomas and for what??????<br>The whip rule states no whip is to be used in a back hand position and certainly not over the shoulder but typically the kempton stewards did nothing, even when called for Francome did not say what he wanted to say, when is this ever going to be taken to task.<br>This week we had Sam jones who hit his horse 40 I repeat 40 times, and the trainer still defended him.God lets enjoy the great sport but for gods sake this really has to stop,…………

    #40437
    roryrory
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    Sam Jones accepted his punishment and admits that he must learn, but it’s poppycock to talk about cruelty. Troglodyte is entirely unmarked from his "ordeal" and the current whips have been modified to such an extent that horses are not unduly punished. I can’t comment on Ruby’s ride except to say that the fact that he beat a stable companion is entirely irrelevant.

    #40440
    Zorro
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    He did what was needed to win. That’s what matters imo. I get really sick of all this bleating about the whip. Racing is a tough sport – for both horses and riders. If you don’t like it, join a pony club instead.

    #40443
    Wayward Lad
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    Rory your either talking out of your pocket ,or somewhere near your rear pocket. So because Sam Jones accepts he did it thats fine, no problem, lets just ignore it.<br>As for Ruby, that was a blatant display of, I am the stable jockey and i will prove i have chosen the right horse, You wait and see, Natal is supposed to go to Cheltenham, are you telling me if you were the owner you would be totally happy with him leaving absolutely nothing in the tank for a big race in 2 weeeks….get on with you.<br>Think you should read the rules about missuse of the whip, or become a stipe at Kempton, you would do well!!!

    #40447
    Wayward Lad
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    good job you said that grasshopper, for a moment i thought you were going to say he knows about horses and racing………guess not eh….he wasnt the owner of Venn Ottery was he????

    #40450
    Zorro
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    Fair play, Grasshopper. Woke up feeling grumpy this morning. (If we were on another forum someone would certainly say ‘just like Snow White?’).

    #40452
    non vintagenon vintage
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    I have it on good authority she has been feeling happy all week.

    #40455
    Zorro
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    And I do take the point about Cheltenham A bird in the hand though… And who’s to say that race damaged the horse, or that he would win at the Festival if he hadn’t had it? Or that the Festival means so much you should let yourself lose races you could have won just on the off chance you might win there. Good ride I’d say.<br>And no, I didn’t back it.:(

    #40458
    Wayward Lad
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    Fair point , but i think your find most trainers would prefer a little left in the locker, and it is rather straying from my original point, his whip use was excessive to say the least, maybe not in frequency, but certainly in its ferocity.

    #40462
    Wayward Lad
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    Found plenty….did you watch the race………..he was galloping up and down on the same spot after the last

    #40466
    naps
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    Natal not going to Cheltenham anyway, so will have plenty of time to recover before Ayr.

    #40469
    Tete Rouge
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    I thought Ruby was OTT with the whip, as well, under the circumstances – it wasn’t nice to watch.

    Having said that, Wayward Lad, I think you have misunderstood the rules, to an extent.  Jockeys are allowed to use the whip in both the forehand and the backhand position.  The following is a quote from the rules:

    The HRA has asked Stewards of Meetings to consider holding an enquiry into any case where a rider has used his whip in such a way as to cause them concern and publish the following examples of uses of the whip which may be regarded as improper riding:

    Hitting horses in any place except:

    on the quarters with the whip in either the backhand or forehand position; <br>down the shoulder with the whip in the backhand position; <br>unless very exceptional circumstances prevail.

    As for saving the horse for Cheltenham, I’m not too sure that it was a particularly good move to run anything at Kempton yesterday that is entered for Cheltenham – particularly horses that don’t like it soft.<br> <br>

    #40470
    apracing
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    <br>Wayward Lad,

    What do you do when the Irish racing comes on – hide behind the sofa?

    AP

    #40473
    Wayward Lad
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    Red head the rules also state as i laid out in my first message…..no whip in either position above shoulder height….which if you watch the replay it clearly was.

    Also to naps answer…..yes i realise he is now going to Ayr, but that was a decision made after the race, he was still in the Arkle untill the race had finshed.

    Still its nice to at least find one concerning person on this subject,,,,thankyou red head

    #40476
    Wayward Lad
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    Oh what a smart remark ap……..I am talking about one instance….yesterday….not in general…please keep your smart arse remarks to yourself if you have nothing constructive to say

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