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I wouldn’t put you off Alpha Des Obeaux but for me he doesn’t win as often as he maybe should and if he comes up against a proper grade 1 horse he is more likely to place than win. All of his wins I think have been on right handed tracks which whilst not conclusive would be a slight concern also. I know Mr O’Leary prefers Chase winners to Hurdles but I also notice that Gigginstown only have two in the original entries for the World Hurdle on Ryanair day, Apples Jade and ADO. O’Leary usually likes to have a runner in most of the races on the Thursday and with Apples Jade well fancied for the Mares race it might be that he is covering his bases if ADO disappoints in any Chase run before the festival. I guess he has the option to supplement something else though so I’m more than likely talking rubbish on that point. The best of luck to you regardless.
Like the OP I would like to see Yorkhill (favourite for the JLT) go for this but it seems by the current market that Bellshill is the likely Wylie contender, Might Bite would have strolled home LTO but Kempton and Cheltenham are obviously like chalk and cheese and I wouldn’t want D Jacob on board. I quite like Politologue but connections also have Aux Ptit Soins in the same race and have intimated that Politologue is more likely to go for the JLT, so I would be loathed to get too carried away with him either. A wait and see until nearer the day for me.
I wouldn’t put you off Alpha Des Obeaux but for me he doesn’t win as often as he maybe should
That’s almost an understatement. Four wins, two ordinary graded races and a couple of nothing races. He is the price he is for good reason. The majority of people don’t want to back horses who have a consistent record of losing.
He’s had 5 starts over fences and won only two.
He’s come last of 5 on chasing debut to average horses.
On his second Start he won one of the worst beginners chases of the season beating a 118 rated horse by 5 lengths
On his 3rd start he won a three runner race beating a 117 horse by 3 lengths and the other horse in the race all but fell early on and couldn’t recover.
Then on his 4th start he was beaten by 5 lengths
And then on his 5th start he bled and was pulled up.How could backing that horse for a grade one Cheltenham race be a good move
All of his wins I think have been on right handed tracks which whilst not conclusive would be a slight concern also.
Meh, 3 of his best 6 performances on RPR have come on LH tracks. Best performance at Cheltenham, beaten by Thistlecrack. Not his fault that most Irish tracks are RH.
That’s almost an understatement. Four wins, two ordinary graded races and a couple of nothing races. He is the price he is for good reason. The majority of people don’t want to back horses who have a consistent record of losing.
A dual Grade 1 winner if Thistlecrack didn’t exist. His Grade 1 record: F222233P. The F would have been 2nd behind Thistlecrack, or maybe even 1st. The P the other day, and I cannot believe for a second that he wouldn’t have been in the top 3. Given the heap they finished in, I am 95% sure he would have won. In any case, when completing in Grade 1s he has a 6/6 100% place rate.
He’s had 5 starts over fences and won only two.
He’s come last of 5 on chasing debut to average horses.Last on his seasonal reappearance, chase debut, in a Grade 3 on heavy. Big deal. His seasonal reappearance record suggests he needs a run. Weapon’s Amnesty beaten 13L 3rd on his chasing debut.
He only won 1/5 chases. Bob’s Worth won 1/3. Lord Windermere 1/5. O Faolains Boy 1/3. Blaklion 2/5. So the majority of the last 7 RSA winners all won less than 50% of their chase starts.
On his second Start he won one of the worst beginners chases of the season beating a 118 rated horse by 5 lengths
You’re blaming him for a better horse not running?
On his 3rd start he won a three runner race beating a 117 horse by 3 lengths and the other horse in the race all but fell early on and couldn’t recover.
Again, don’t understand what he should have done.
Then on his 4th start he was beaten by 5 lengths
In a Grade 1, 4f short of his optimal trip, leading (or nearly, I can’t quite remember) at the last, ridden by Mark Enright as Cooper chose to ride a different horse. Clearly just a stepping stone.
And then on his 5th start he bled and was pulled up.
Yes, a concern. I think and hope he’ll be fine. His Betfair price has been solid.
I wouldn’t hang too many hats on that World Hurdle second. It was a case of name your distance and someone had to finish second. Unfortunately, we are talking RSA and his chase runs don’t even come close to matching that performance. For a horse with a lot of places he isn’t actually that consistent. He was woeful when sent off 1/1 in the run after his World Hurdle second.
Wouldn’t be the first horse to run brilliantly at Cheltenham and badly at Punchestown.
If Alpha des Obeaux was trained by anyone else I’d be worried about him turning up at Cheltenham,the problem us fans of the horse have here isn’t the fact he’s burst a blood vessel its that he might well run in the 4 miler instead,a race who’s credibility has risen year on year,he’s 16/1 for both races but whatever he runs in he’ll go off single figures so backing him for both is the best idea for me.His trainer will remain quiet as a Mouse right upto March before we know a thing but I’m still confident he’ll get him there.Disko (25/1 RSA) is the horse who will dictate who goes where as he is a proper RSA type to me too.I hope he goes for the 4 miler though.(16’s)
No idea, but he performs with the ones it matters with. Arkle 2nd, RSA 2nd, Gold Cup 1st, Stayers Hurdle 2nd, amongst plenty other good performances.
It seems as if people can’t help talking about Morris as if he is some sort of magician. That said if he hadn’t produced a couple of aces at the end of last season he was probably heading towards the Gigginstown rubbish dump. Even now they clearly don’t trust him with too much ammunition.
How many Festival winners has he actually trained in say the last ten years?
I did a quick search and found this:
1983 Novices’ Hurdle
1986 Queen Mother Champion Chase
1990 Cheltenham Festival Stayers’ Hurdle
2006 Cheltenham Gold CupIt seems as if people can’t help talking about Morris as if he is some sort of magician. That said if he hadn’t produced a couple of aces at the end of last season he was probably heading towards the Gigginstown rubbish dump. Even now they clearly don’t trust him with too much ammunition.
How many Festival winners has he actually trained in say the last ten years?
I did a quick search and found this:
1983 Novices’ Hurdle
1986 Queen Mother Champion Chase
1990 Cheltenham Festival Stayers’ Hurdle
2006 Cheltenham Gold CupThanks, it would be nice to match it against runners but four winners in 30+ years isn’t really a massive endorsement.
It seems as if people can’t help talking about Morris as if he is some sort of magician. That said if he hadn’t produced a couple of aces at the end of last season he was probably heading towards the Gigginstown rubbish dump. Even now they clearly don’t trust him with too much ammunition.
How many Festival winners has he actually trained in say the last ten years?
Can you remember Mouse training Cahervillahow to win the 91 Irish national Stilvi?
He carried top weight and was robbed on the line by an incredible ride from Adrian Maguire.Like most of Mouses horses he can target train them and this fellow was also placed at the festival.The formbook means nothing to him thats why when Alpha des Obeaux wins in March his form figures of 35113P wont bother us who know what he’s capable of.It seems as if people can’t help talking about Morris as if he is some sort of magician. That said if he hadn’t produced a couple of aces at the end of last season he was probably heading towards the Gigginstown rubbish dump. Even now they clearly don’t trust him with too much ammunition.
How many Festival winners has he actually trained in say the last ten years?
I did a quick search and found this:
1983 Novices’ Hurdle
1986 Queen Mother Champion Chase
1990 Cheltenham Festival Stayers’ Hurdle
2006 Cheltenham Gold CupThanks, it would be nice to match it against runners but four winners in 30+ years isn’t really a massive endorsement.
lets not forget First Lieutenant in the Neptune lads.
It seems as if people can’t help talking about Morris as if he is some sort of magician. That said if he hadn’t produced a couple of aces at the end of last season he was probably heading towards the Gigginstown rubbish dump. Even now they clearly don’t trust him with too much ammunition.
How many Festival winners has he actually trained in say the last ten years?
Can you remember Mouse training Cahervillahow to win the 91 Irish national Stilvi?
He carried top weight and was robbed on the line by an incredible ride from Adrian Maguire.Like most of Mouses horses he can target train them and this fellow was also placed at the festival.The formbook means nothing to him thats why when Alpha des Obeaux wins in March his form figures of 35113P wont bother us who know what he’s capable of.Absolutely
Backed him again today at 20s. I thnk that is about the 15th time ive played him already.
Just a ridiculous price. He’s 4/1 to place which is bonkers in itself.
I am with Zarkava on this – won’t be long till that 20/1 is a distant memory so lets just get on now.
I think someone else mentioned it. But if you ran giggingstown would you not run alpha des obeaux in the world hurdle. They have plenty of staying chasers but weak in the staying hurdle division
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