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Would it be fair to say he knocked your face out of joint with his statement and it got your back up, hence your verbal attack?
Verbal attack, what verbal attack?
Aidan is a brilliant trainer, he just has a way of saying things that bear no relation to what’s happened. Just because I don’t believe everything that comes out of the Master Of Ballydoyle’s mouth; does not make it a "verbal attack".
Value Is EverythingAbsolutely love this horse. My favourite horse for 18 months. Given me so much excitement to watch. Largest wager in my life on him to win the QE2 last year. Can’t think of another horse that has had the luck he has had with injuries and setbacks. Nor can think of one who has 3 group 1 seconds in one season?
Sorely missed.
Gutted I never got to see him in a 12f Group 1 race, dam you Aiden!
Raven’s Pass was runner up in 3 consecutive group 1 races in 2008
St James Palace Stakes
Prix Jean Prat
Sussex Stakes
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Ginger
There’s none so blind as he who will not see.
Ridden properly over his best trip of 1m, RVW absolutely annihilated top class horses such as Paco Boy, Delegator, Zacinto (who was undoubtedly top class, though he’s never been the same since Rip broke his heart) and Ghanaati, all of whom had better acceleration, but simply could not contend with RVW’s overall
speed
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How would you see his Derby run Fist?
Can’t blame the man for trying but Poor!! comes to mind.
Reet said it all really.
I would add had it ben run at strong pace he’d have finished nearer last than first. IMO. The sprint Derby as I like to call and the fact he has class is the reason he got so close.
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Would it be fair to say he knocked your face out of joint with his statement and it got your back up, hence your verbal attack?
Verbal attack, what verbal attack?
Aidan is a brilliant trainer, he just has a way of saying things that bear no relation to what’s happened. Just because I don’t believe everything that comes out of the Master Of Ballydoyle’s mouth; does not make it a "verbal attack".
Come on mate it’s me your talking to.
Be a man and admit it it. Aiden made a statement that didn’t fit in with what you have been saying for the last year or so and you took the cream puff!
I’ll sort him out thought Ginge..does that ring a bell?
Lets talk about something else now.
Who do you see as Rip Van Winkle’s successor as the
best miler
Aiden had?
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Btw Corm , I do believe you’re wrong that breeding is all about speed. Aidan set out deliberately to win a 10f gp1 with RVW (Remember him saying that he would come on for the run in this year’s Sussex?) in exactly the same way as he did with his former brilliant miler, George Washington.
Ginger
There’s none so blind as he who will not see.Agreed,
I will base what I believe on what I SEE Reet.
You base your opinion on what a man says.
Rip Van Winkle won the Sussex because his better overall ability. His capability to maintaining a constant pace at the mile more than compensating for the greater speed of Paco Boy.
But let’s agree to disagree.
Value Is EverythingSeems from my reading of Aidan that he wants every race to be an honest race not like the French races where we wait until the last furlong to race. In a truly run race there will be no opportunity for a horse to hide . In the Juddmont which was a truly run race he beat the best that was thrown at him by Cecil and Fabre.Not a word about that victory after the Champion Stakes when the loser was able to win in his absence.There is no doubt that he is a better horse than Twice Over but we don’t seem willing to admit that. The negative attitude to Aidan and his operation seems to blind some raceing fans.
Coolmore did the job with Rip Van Winkle.
He wasn’t an exceptional horse….he wasn’t a easy horse to train but what he has is Group 1’s with Galileo in his breeding name and its very important for them to start to take some of the mares that go to New Approach and Teofilo as a way of getting into the Galileo blood line for a much smaller fee.
Darley stole a march on their own best sire. Cape Blanco to race as a 4yr old is another type of RVW. But better IMO
He was not an exceptional horse,just the best four year old in Europe over a mile and 2.
Somebody claimed that RVW had speed but not acceeration. To win the International from where he was at the furlong post without acceleration boggles the mind. To go from speed when he was apparently beaten to acceleration and get up and win going away was a brilliant demonstration of both speed and acceleration.
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Of course he was exceptional – he has at least 4 RPR’s higher than anything Cape Blanco has ever achieved (or is ever likely to
), notwithstanding that CB is overrated by 4/5 lbs on his only RPR that puts him anywhere near RVW.I think he was the best of the 3-y-os last year bar Sea The Stars. His Eclipse run and Sussex win were tip-top efforts. However I just don’t think he was quite the same horse this time around, missing the Lockinge, needing the run at Ascot and scrambling home in the Juddmonte. I just can’t have it that his Juddmonte win was any better than 5/6 lb below his Eclipse effort.
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Just my view, DJ, but I think his pilot got caught out by the slow early pace at York, and consequently had to work harder than he should’ve to get by the others. Having said that, JM was probably between a rock and a hard place regarding the horse’s stamina, but said he never felt he wasn’t going to get there.
I don’t believe that he was seriously trained (or ridden to his optimum) for either the Sussex or the QE11, this season. As I’ve pointed out elsewhere, I believe the ratings for the 09 Eclipse are too high as a whole.Absolutely love this horse. My favourite horse for 18 months. Given me so much excitement to watch. Largest wager in my life on him to win the QE2 last year. Can’t think of another horse that has had the luck he has had with injuries and setbacks. Nor can think of one who has 3 group 1 seconds in one season?
Sorely missed.
Gutted I never got to see him in a 12f Group 1 race, dam you Aiden!
Raven’s Pass was runner up in 3 consecutive group 1 races in 2008
St James Palace Stakes
Prix Jean Prat
Sussex StakesRaven’s Pass
was another beautiful runner…
here he is after winning the 2008 Breeders’ Cup Classic!http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n291/UpInClass/Breeders%20Cup/RAVENS_PASSafterwinning2008_BC_Classic_closeup2.jpg
Seems from my reading of Aidan that he wants every race to be an honest race not like the French races where we wait until the last furlong to race. In a truly run race there will be no opportunity for a horse to hide . In the Juddmont which was a truly run race he beat the best that was thrown at him by Cecil and Fabre.Not a word about that victory after the Champion Stakes when the loser was able to win in his absence.There is no doubt that he is a better horse than Twice Over but we don’t seem willing to admit that. The negative attitude to Aidan and his operation seems to blind some raceing fans.
You can see by the way Rip Van Winkle was raced at a mile (racing prominently) and 1m2f (held up); he was played for stamina at 8 and speed at 10 furlongs.
Let’s not get this out of proportion, Aidan is a brilliant trainer, one of the best we’ve ever seen. He’s just prone to exaggeration when talking about his horses, that’s all. One little "negative" does not mean I can’t appreciate Aidan or Rip’s talent. RVW was indeed of greater ability than Twice Over.
Value Is EverythingGreat horse. His problem this year was the ground he faced, as I’ve said before. If the QE2 was run on Good ground instead of Good to Soft, he would have romped home. Last year he was fortunate enough to not strike any rain-affected tracks; this year those tracks killed his chances in the Irish Champion (don’t know if he could have won though…) and hurt him in the QE2.
On the Irish Champion, I think the fact that he barely made any ground on Twice Over in that race, while he was storming past him in the Juddmonte International would show that he didn’t run to form.
Great horse, and one who is easy to root for. He definitely has great acceleration, but what cost him was that it took him an age to get going when held up.
), notwithstanding that CB is overrated by 4/5 lbs on his only RPR that puts him anywhere near RVW.
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