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I hate seeing stakes horses in claimers at the end of their careers, these horses have competed against the best, they deserve better than too be flogged around low rent tracks when in earlier years they once would have beaten their oppasition by a country mile.
Their are organisations who retrain ex racers, i would rather a horse like redemption retired than running in crap races. Shame on his ex owner who is a priest in a newcastle diocese…
I hate seeing stakes horses in claimers at the end of their careers, these horses have competed against the best, they deserve better than too be flogged around low rent tracks when in earlier years they once would have beaten their oppasition by a country mile.
Their are organisations who retrain ex racers, i would rather a horse like redemption retired than running in crap races. Shame on his ex owner who is a priest in a newcastle diocese…
An odd post for someone with your signature; there is no shame in running and winning in less exalted company. Horses can’t wear bedroom slippers.
A few years ago Redempy was switched to Martin Pipe for 1 or at the most two runs but then returned to Twiston Davis. I would like to see the old boy return to him once again at least there he will have a nice retirement.
Horses are not just a vehicle for betting on and I like to see them cared for till the end, just like people.
Spitfire,
What makes you think he will have a nicer retirement at Pipe’s stable than at any other?
If I’m not wrong, then I’d say the Pipe stable is well known for running older horses in claimers/sellers rather than retire horses. In fact, didn’t the Pipes get rid of a few former high profile horses (who had served the stable so well) via the claimers just last season (sorry, the names escape me)?
Mike
A few years ago Redempy was switched to Martin Pipe for 1 or at the most two runs but then returned to Twiston Davis. I would like to see the old boy return to him once again at least there he will have a nice retirement.
Horses are not just a vehicle for betting on and I like to see them cared for till the end, just like people.
Most of TD’s horses go on to do other things, he just chooses not to publicise it.
In this specific case it was felt that there was not much else the horse could do, and if he enjoyed racing why not let him?A few years ago Redempy was switched to Martin Pipe for 1 or at the most two runs but then returned to Twiston Davis. I would like to see the old boy return to him once again at least there he will have a nice retirement.
Unwittingly or otherwise, this and Yorkshire Pudding’s posts are each slights on Redemption’s current trainer Graham Smith; both in terms of his motives for claiming and continuing to run the gelding deep into his thirteenth year, and in terms of his husbandry and welfare skills.
Glances through the earlier posts in this thread will confirm we have already stated that claiming / non-handicap selling company is precisely the right place for Redemption to be given that he was running to the sort of form ratings required to win such contests when struggling in better races last season. It’s also already been confirmed that Smith is not a serial over-racer or over-facer of horses of limited ability. Suggestions to the contrary are neither helpful nor accurate.
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After the race Smith said the horse was on the verge of retirement anyway and will spend some time in retirement hunting and on the farm.
It would appear that there are four ladies in the partnership that now own him and they bought him on winnings accrued from a double on Smith’s horses a couple of months ago.Sounds like a Black Beauty ending to me; they’re not called Miss Ellen and Miss Lavinia are they?…;my ladies have promised that I shall never be sold, and so I have nothing to fear; and here my story ends’..great stuff!
That posting I made was not previewed and I allowed three different points bleed into each other whereas I intended then to be points in isolation.
When I posted
A few years ago Redempy was switched to Martin Pipe for 1 or at the most two runs but then returned to Twiston Davis all within weeks.
I was just curious why Redempy left Twiston Davis to go to Martin Pipe’s for one or two runs and then returned within weeks.
That was a point in itself as was this
I would like to see the old boy return to him once again at least there he will have a nice retirement.
by that I meant that Redempy has been with Twiston Davis so long that it seems a shame for him to lose him at such an advanced age.
the other point I made was just that with Redempy nearing the end of his career I want to see him cared for like all retired horses. (We all know this doesn’t always happen, there have been some shocking examples)[/color:36t3cs62] That point had absolutely nothing to do with where the horse now is as I don’t know that trainer at all.
I was just curious why Redempy left Twiston Davis to go to Martin Pipe’s for one or two runs and then returned within weeks.
A Racing Post article of January 17th 2005 infers that it was probably never the intention for Redemption to take in that brief sojourn at Pond House at all;
“REDEMPTION has rejoined Nigel Twiston-Davies for the second time following a reconciliation between the trainer and owner John Duggan.
The ten-year-old, who will run next in the Ladbroke Trophy at Cheltenham on Saturday week, was one of three horses Duggan removed from the yard this season over an altercation regarding the decent hurdler Mistanoora.
Redemption, last seen when runner-up to Le Duc at Cheltenham on New Year’s Day, started his career with Twiston-Davies before leaving for Paul Webber for the 1999-2000 season.
He then rejoined Twiston-Davies last season and remained there until late last year, when he was transferred to Martin Pipe.
Duggan said: ‘Nigel and I go back some way and it’s just no fun going racing without him.
‘Basically there was a misunderstanding over Mistanoora. I wish I hadn’t taken the horses away now – I acted too quickly.
‘Martin’s been very understanding about it and I might send him one or two horses to show there’s no hard feelings’.
Twiston-Davies said: ‘We had a row but we’ve always been good friends and it will be great to have the horses back’.”
I meant that Redempy has been with Twiston Davis so long that it seems a shame for him to lose him at such an advanced age.
Truth be told, the Naunton handler has been banging his head against the wall placing Redemption for a long time – Post quotes from early 2006 onwards have often included the line, “We’ve run out of places to go with him”, or similar – and might well have gone down the claiming route far earlier had it been entirely down to him. He’s certainly not totally averse to sticking the odd one in these sort of races if all else fails.
As it was, it was only during the 2007-8 that Redemption’s last paying owner Michael Purtill gave up the gelding, which faciliated the move first to owner-trainership and then to lower-class races.
I do actually believe there are problems with going down the “part of the fixtures and fittings at Naunton”, “shame he was claimed after so long”, etc. routes of argument with Redemption, as in different circumstances he could have been offloaded by Twiston-Davies anywhere up to 18 months earlier.
the other point I made was just that with Redempy nearing the end of his career I want to see him cared for like all retired horses. (We all know this doesn’t always happen, there have been some shocking examples)[/color:ueuyj3az] That point had absolutely nothing to do with where the horse now is as I don’t know that trainer at all.
Noted with relief. It looks as if the future after racing for Redemption is set to be a happy one, judged on Grey Desire’s findings.
The double alluded to in that post, incidentally, took place on June 8th, and comprised a Southwell AWT Flat win for Novestar and a Worcester chase win for Ground Breaker, the latter of whom went in again at Southwell tonight. That’s 10 wins over both codes this calendar year for Graham Smith so far, which he’ll be thrilled about given how small-scale an operator he is.
Jeremy
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Jeremy,
Redemption was Nigel TD’s favourite, and he was very upset when he was claimed. He kept him in the yard because he liked him (I won’t say loved), but i’m sure hes taken it on the chin.Was he, indeed? Ah well, that drowns that particular line of conjecture at birth, then.
I trust, though, that NTD has been suitably heartened by the Smith camp’s stated retirement plans for the gelding, as well as their refusal to rush him (the highest-rated horse they’ve ever handled) back into 0-130+ handicaps in which he can no longer get competitive.gc
Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Probably a fairly good chance today at Stratford, though only 4 days between races a potential concern…
Aye, it would be inconsistent of me to say I’m 100% happy with him turning out again today given my previous posts on the matter.
He didn’t appear to have to turn a hair in winning at Southwell at the weekend, but there has to be the chance that the heavy going at Stratford-under-Avon tonight will likely expose even the slightest sign of tiredness if there be one.
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Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
I trust, though, that NTD has been suitably heartened by the Smith camp’s stated retirement plans for the gelding, as well as their refusal to rush him (the highest-rated horse they’ve ever handled) back into 0-130+ handicaps in which he can no longer get competitive.
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