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Ready for Rishi? 2022-???? (There’s no telling with this lot)

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    “You do have to wonder if this will be a low ebb for the Tories”.

    In a strange sort of way, the result might not be that bad for them. They were worn out and a period in opposition might do them some good.

    Some polls were suggesting they would be reduced to about 18% and 60 seats. In the end, 24% and 120 seats was terrible but not extinction.

    A lot depends on the government. It will inevitably run into problems, as all governments do. It only got 34% of the vote on a 59% turnout. That suggests its support is fragile.

    If the Conservatives can elect an effective leader and get their act together, they might be able to bounce back. Voters who want to punish the government are going to turn to the one party which can defeat it – and that is still the Conservatives.

    The Liberal Democrat vote is mostly an anti-Conservative protest vote. That has happened before and can be reversed.

    I have my doubts about Reform becoming a genuine national party instead of a vehicle for Nigel Farage. He is an effective campaigner but he will be largely irrelevant in the Commons. He is not getting any younger either. Does he really have the ability to build up some sort of party that will replace the Conservatives? I can’t see it myself.

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    Depends on whether they go further to the right or more towards the centre.

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    We are forgetting a lot of voters didn’t vote Labour due to them being perceived as red tories. If starmer quietly implements policies which improve the lot of the average Joe labour will gain back that missing 6%. All depends on the economy. If folk feel financially better under labour they will win again. Reform are only there to push the tories further right which would mean they have no chance at the next election. Yes labour’s win is fragile but can anybody see reform and the tories reconcile. Labour will win again until the tories sort themselves out.

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    Also labour ran a superb targeted campaign. It will only be slicker next time. They are at last getting it right.

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    David Cameron tweeted: “My thoughts are also with our new Prime Minister, @Keir_Starmer. His success will be our success, so as he starts his work and solemn duties in No. 10, I send him my very best wishes.”

    Memo to Cameron: I always knew you were a Blairite – but you are meant to at least pretend to be a bit sad when you have lost and your pretend opponent takes over. :wacko:

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    While Labour have to prove they can deliver for the country the Tories arent exactly in the strongest position to provide a strong alternative , I’ll be very surprised if they don’t go hard right with the replacement leader , fragmenting the party more and Farage is going to be popping his head over the garden fence regularly , many think Starmer won’t get much of a honeymoon , he may not but like Thatcher when she went in in 79 he may well get a opposition leader who isn’t electable

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    The Mail is a barrel of laughs today … Cartoon of the upper class homeless in a tunnel …they really don’t get it do they

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    “I’ll be very surprised if they don’t go hard right with the replacement leader , fragmenting the party more”

    Let’s hope that that is exactly what they do.

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    Can we have a new Centre party please. :rose:

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    I do agree, the “tax cuts” thing was stupid when there is a “cost of living crisis”.

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    Taken 9/2 against Tom Tugendhat and 9/1 against James Cleverley to be the next leader of the Conservative Party.

    Kemi Badenoch is 2/1 favourite but I am not convinced she will be chosen.

    Priti Patel and Suella Braverman are fairly prominent in the betting but they are unlikely to appeal to the public.

    Robert Jenrick might have a chance but I am not sure he has sufficient experience.

    I thought Tugendhat and Cleverley made most appeal at the prices, although it is not clear how the leader will be chosen yet. I suspect the Conservative Party grandees will want to keep the membership out of it, given that they chose Truss last time.

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    Starmers Labour is as centre as you,’ll get , the Tories can’t do it , you also can’t start a new centralist party , Starmer could be lucky with his opposition leader

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    Taken 9/2 against Tom Tugendhat and 9/1 against James Cleverley to be the next leader of the Conservative Party

    Kemi Badenoch is 2/1 favourite but I am not convinced she will be chosen

    A wildcard I’d like to see stand is Alicia Kearns, the chairman of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee. A bright spark, a good debater and a self-confessed ‘one nation’ moderate

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    If the Conservatives abide by their current rules, which is by no means guaranteed, it would make sense for the MPs to whittle down the field to a “One Nation” candidate and a rightwing one. These two would then be put to the membership for the final vote.

    Here’s a former Tory MP and editor of ConservativeHome on what the party should do next:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/06/no-boris-johnson-no-deals-with-nigel-farage-its-time-for-the-tories-to-get-serious

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    And then the membership vote for the right wing loon, as they did in voting for the right wing puppet, Truss.

    It would actually make sense if they realised sending anything to the membership is a waste of time. The appeal of the candidate has to go far beyond them.

    The biggest problem the Tories have is the lack of candidates, particularly after Hunt ruled himself out. A mixture of loons, and the overrated.

    Save for a couple of poor performances by the overrated Mordaunt, they left the whole campaign to Sunak. Where were they? In contrast Starmer trotted out the likes of Rayner and Reeves to hold his hand.

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    Hunt was more focused on holding onto his seat, which he just about did.

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