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No one cares about Cardiff Airport’s finances. They might just look at what state both the country’s and their own finances are in after 14 years of the self-styled ‘party of fiscal responsibility’ and conclude that it’s probably time to give someone else a go. See also: 2010, 1997, 1979…
‘We’re not the Tories’ is about as much selling themselves as Labour need to do. Even Tories like the chap on my leaflet are doing their best to conceal what party they are from.
I agree with Richard – both Parties mess up after being in Power a while, no Party has the divine right to rule in perpetuity and “time for a change” is an eternally-powerful driver.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“They might just look at what state both the country’s and their own finances are in after 14 years of the self-styled ‘party of fiscal responsibility’ “
And yet there was some imbecile on a BBC phone-in this morning blaming the nation’s current woes on Labour leaving the coffers empty in 2010.
The mind boggles.
When Labour were last in power there was a world banking crisis which was not their fault. (Although imo Mr Prudence Brown should have saved money when times were good)… But anyway, it left – as the letter said – “no money left” when the Coalition of Conservatives and Liberals came in.
A Banking crisis was always going to take a long time to get over in the best of times… And with less money coming in there is less money for the NHS, Education etc. For those who believe Labour would have spent a lot more than Conservatives on eg the NHS, I urge you to look up how much Labour spent on the NHS in their final two years in office compared to their earlier years – when the World was thriving. Spending dropped enormously in those final two years.
One of the reasons I did not vote for Brexit was Brexit was always going to be difficult in the short term with transition from EU to non-EU. Short term down turn could only be expected imo… And that’s without Covid and Ukraine and yet another World economic crisis.
tbh May was never going to be believed by the brexiteers and going to the EU saying we won’t leave without a deal made it impossible for her to get a reasonable deal. imo Boris (in his policies) was not as bad a Prime Minister as some make out. But he had to go because of all the lies.
There has previously always been a sense of the country trusting Tories more than Labour when economic times are difficult. Truss’s awful 50 days has changed that. But if looking at what Rishi said at the time, he predicted the mess Truss policies would lead to. Labour were actually in favour of some of Truss’s policies, eg To bring down tax for the less well off.
Rishi and Hunt have steadied the ship and the World is still not recovered. If looking at the other top European countries, economically the UK has if anything done better than Germany and no more than slightly worse than France – if anything. Also, Wales under Labour if anything is doing worse than England and so too is Scotland under the SNP… Which all suggests not everything is as Reeves would have us believe.
But with Labour now saying Rishi and the Conservatives are responsible for everything that’s happened, the economic cost of Covid, Ukraine, Gaza, Yemen etc… Then are they also blaming themselves – Brown and co – for the innitial decline at the time of the banking crisis? And if getting into power again in the coming General Election will they be taking responsibility for the inevitable economic downturns if there’s a wider war in the Middle-East between Israel and Iran… And / or China invades Taiwan… And / or North Korea invades the South… And / or Putin invades other ex-USSR countries… And / or there is an even worse (different) pandemic?… Making it impossible for their pledges to be put into action, let alone accomplished. They’re already rowing back on their previous pledges. eg “28 billion” my arse.
Value Is EverythingAt least my odds-against bet on Labour to win more seats than any other party (unfortunately) looks solid. LOL
Value Is EverythingThat £28 billion plan was announced two years ago, when interest rates were 0.1% and before Truss and Kwarteng crashed the economy.
There was no way Labour could afford it with the current, Tory-created, economic malaise.
At least Labour seem to be learning. Changing their policy immediately after watching Rishi’s latest Conservative political broadcast.
Value Is EverythingI predict that under Starmer’s Labour the wealthy will be a little bit less wealthy, the poor will be a little bit less poor and those in the middle will notice little, if any, change to the quality of their existence.
This will remain the case until global events cause a crisis, as they invariably do, no matter who is in charge.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"‘But with Labour now saying Rishi and the Conservatives are responsible for everything that’s happened, the economic cost of Covid, Ukraine, Gaza, Yemen etc… Then are they also blaming themselves – Brown and co – for the innitial decline at the time of the banking crisis?’
Works the other way too of course. I don’t recall Tories queuing up to tell us that there’s nothing Labour could have done about the banking crisis. That’s all just politicians being politicians, both the same on that front.
‘I predict that under Starmer’s Labour the wealthy will be a little bit less wealthy, the poor will be a little bit less poor and those in the middle will notice little, if any, change to the quality of their existence.’
As one of those in the middle, I agree with this. As I have said before, Labour do not have a silver bullet and I don’t personally expect to see much change when they get in. I would however expect things to get worse should the Tories somehow get back in. None of them are that great but some are less bad.
Yes it should work the other way around too, Richard.
Although I seem to remember the main criticism of Brown at the time was “Prudence” did not save for a rainy day.Value Is EverythingSunaks wife is def going to be worse off when Labour gets in ,
While it was a disaster as expected for the Tories we should also note it was horrific for Lib dems to ….. 5th in one of the seats , really bad sign for them toCould be tactical voting HDLG, perhaps even deliberate lack of campaigning by the LDs (pure speculation on both, especially the second point). I don’t particularly like tactical voting or electoral pacts but FPTP encourages it unfortunately and you have to play the game.
The last thing we need is LDs and Labour taking votes off each other. The LDs have their strongholds and should concentrate on them. With the Tories haemorrhaging votes left (Labour and LD) and right (RefUK) it’s shaping up nicely.
Given the FPTP system has created legion governments (both red and blue) with commanding majorities despite less than 50% of the popular vote, the focus at the end of a 14-year stretch for a now deeply-unpopular administration which most people always voted against will be on getting them out.
Tactical voting is the logical PR advocate’s response to the system we have – working the system as they cannot immediately change it.
On one thing the majority of the country is agreed – this Tory government needs kicking out in its backside – and I predict a lot of tactical voting, including seats Labour can’t win where Labour voters will vote Lib-Dem.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"A majority of us never wanted them in the first place, as you rightly point out is a common occurrence. I will absolutely be voting for whichever non-Tory has the best chance of booting them out.
Looking at the faces of the lib dem candidates id say they weren’t expecting that , the hilarity of Mogg yesterday saying Labour hasn’t actual done that well while his own Tory candidates lie in pools of blood is staggering
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/21/liz-truss-deep-state-cpac-far-right
Truss truly is deluded. What a ridiculous load of drivel. And we’re still paying her to be an MP. I would be feeling rather short changed as one of her constituents that she’s off spouting rubbish and no doubt trousering a load of cash for it.
Not that she missed much here yesterday, I haven’t read too much about what went on yesterday but it sounds like the whole damn lot of them were a disgrace. This archaic institution needs serious reform, what must other countries think witnessing that car crash.
The tories have totally been about one thing. Lining the pickets of the wealthy and their backers. Brexit in part was about saving the wealthy millions which tax loopholes would have stopped. I’m no great fan of starmer but anybody bar the tories surely the way to go. Do we want five more years of corruption and deciet and cretinous behaviour from their mps.
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