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Good grief, Cameron has turned up. Is that the sound of barrels being scraped?
Braverman will ‘have more to say in due course’ which presumably means she’s going to throw a tantrum and tell us about how it’s everybody’s fault but her own.
Get the popcorn ready folks!
James ‘not so’ Cleverly has been made Home Secretary and David Cameron made Foreign Secretary by being given a seat in the Lords
Precedents I can think of being Baroness Chakrabati who was ennobled by Corbyn to become Shadow Justice Secretary and Lord Young by Thatcher to become Employment Minister
Democracy eh? who needs it
To think I wrote elsewhere last week how it would not be proper in today’s day and age to have someone in the House of Lords holding one of the four great offices of state.
Now Sunak has appointed someone as Foreign Secretary who was not even in Parliament!
Cameron is the first former Prime Minister to subsequently hold one of the other three great offices of state since Alec Douglas Home. Someone who was briefly Prime Minister after renouncing his peerage and fighting a contrived by-election to get into the Commons. He then became a Lord again and served as Foreign Secretary in Edward Heath’s government.
Well, I didn’t see that coming! Woke up early to feed the dog, heard about Braverman and, much as I wanted to carry on listening grabbed a couple more hours sleep and missed all the excitement! It’s Cameron that threw this country in the turmoil that it’s been in for the last few years and I can’t forgive him for just walking away from the carnage he created so I can’t somehow see him as now being the saviour of the Conservatives and the country. Having said that, he’s always had a John Major effect on me in that I’ve never quite been able to totally dislike him. Maybe because, unlike some of the party members he was educated with, he didn’t seem to be someone that would burn twenty pound notes in front of the homeless.
A PM that nobody voted for appoints somebody who nobody voted for as Foreign Secretary.
What was that about leaving the EU to free us from unelected bureaucrats?
This is truly desperate stuff. If they had a shred of decency left (I know…) they’d dissolve Parliament tomorrow and let us decide who we want in charge. They’ve effectively admitted that they don’t have enough competent MPs to run the country.
I didn’t know if Rishi would have the bottle to sack Braverman, but
she’s offski. I despair a bit about her replacement, I don’t have a
big opinion of Cleverly, but I have to admit that I was thrown by
thw appointment of Cameron. He’s the one that put up a brexit vote
that a Philadelphia lawyer would still be sitting scratcing his head
working out, and when it went pear shaped he jumped ship. As has been
said many times on every news media, an unelected Foreigh Secretary
appointed by an unelected Prime Minister. It could only have been written
by Brian Rix.It could only have been written
by Brian Rix.Whose trousers will be first to fall down?
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysBravo! The Braverwoman gone.
Needed to go.
Captain Cammeron back. With Ukraine and Gaza it needs someone experienced in the Foreign Office. A guy who won two elections.
Clever Cleverly in the home office. An atheist, not pro Palestinian or pro Israel.
Conservatives lurching to the centre.Value Is EverythingA PM that nobody voted for appoints somebody who nobody voted for as Foreign Secretary.
“What was that about leaving the EU to free us from unelected bureaucrats?
This is truly desperate stuff. If they had a shred of decency left (I know…) they’d dissolve Parliament tomorrow and let us decide who we want in charge. They’ve effectively admitted that they don’t have enough competent MPs to run the country”.
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“an unelected Foreigh Secretary
appointed by an unelected Prime Minister. It could only have been written
by Brian Rix”.——————
Richard / BigG,
Is it not strange how we didn’t hear any criticism from the left when the totally “unelected” Chakrabati got her job with Labour? After her of course “independent” (white washed?) investigation into Labour anti-semitism. An investigation that has since been well and truly overturned. At least Cameron had won two general elections with votes from the public. Chakrabati had no votes.
Or when Brown held on to power without immediately going to a general election after Blair abdicated. Brown, a man who even tried to hold on to power after the 2010 election… Trying to hold on to power when Conservatives had won both more seats and more votes than Labour… Surely it was really Brown who was the one “truly desperate”? How “democratic” was that?Value Is EverythingWell I completely disagree with the entire existence of the HoL so doesn’t make any difference to me who is putting their mates in there, it’s all wrong.
I didn’t argee with what Labour did then and I don’t agree now the Tories are doing it so my position is entirely consistent.
Of course it works the other way too, if you’re ok with what the Tories are doing now, you can’t criticise Labour for previously having done similar.
Ginger, you broke my Laptop. I did a reply to you and then my son contacted me live with my grandson. My laptop slid off the arm of my chair onto the seat, and when I came back the screen has what looks like black patches, look like holes and the rest is just horizontal lines. I can’t even see my cursor. Anyone any ideas, I hate using my phone.
I’ll shorten my reply but I agree Ginge they didn’t set a precident with both Cleverly and Cameron. I’m not a fan of Cleverly from what I’ve seen of him, far to slippery to get a straight answer out of him. Of course he’s not alone in that. I didn’t see the Cameron move. He got himself backed into a corner by some of the some his more right wing colleagues so agreed to hold a referendum for the sake of party unity. It was far to complicated for an in/out vote, it was a mistake to agree to have a referendum and he didn’t expect the result would be leave. What I objected to was that he deserted the sinking ship. I think we stood a better chance of deal with Cameron as opposed to the nutjobs that followed. As much as I don’t agree with his politics, he’s head and shoulders ability wise than the collection of numpties there now. He is their best choice for foreign secretary. At least he has a bit of gravitas about him. I wasn’t a Brown fan either. I just think the whole thing is a mess because of idiots that thought we still ruled the waves.
“At least he has a bit of gravitas about him”
Not sure that someone who inserted their penis into a dead pig’s mouth has any gravitas.
Ginger he lost the biggest election , spat the dummy and walked , id say that’s the last guy you,d want doing foreign policy , you also have the Greensil lobbying … No thanks , did nothing as PM and you know he wants that back to poke Boris in the eye , we need change in this country not a toilet that won’t flush and keeps being the same shite back up
Gladiator, when I say gravitas about Cameron I mean as foreign Secretary and a previous PM, they don’t care about our politics abroad or who is in power but he may be deemed as a “heavy weight” and he knows how to debate. It goes against the grain to be looking to speaking up for the conservatives, I mean you can’t polish a turd, but from their point of view who is there in their party to put in to deal with Europe, Russia or Israel/Gazza better than Cameron?
Cameron did not “lose an election” HDLG, it was a referendum. As I said, the UK had never had a referendum on the EU. Most other countries had and some more than one. Your words also demonstrate why the Remain vote lost. Because some people thought the PM Cameron wanted Remain therefore (with Corbyn refusing to stand on the same platform as Cameron) they’d vote against him.
Cameron did the right thing in resigning the PM job.
Couldn’t have someone who does not believe in Brexit negotiating what Brexit was going to be.I much prefer both Cameron and May as people and politicians than Johnson, but May proved the country needed someone negotiating that was a prominent Brexiteer. Under May the EU knew they could offer anything and she’d except it, because the alternative of No Deal was so obviously alien to her. Johnson was always going to be able to get more from the EU, because the EU believed he had no problem with a No Deal. Had Cameron or May continued as PM half the country would not have believed in what he / she had done. Indeed we’d still be in a crisis where a significant proportion of the country would still be calling for their “true brexit”.
Value Is Everything“I didn’t argee with what Labour did then and I don’t agree now the Tories are doing it so my position is entirely consistent”.
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So if Conservatives again get the most seats in the next general election, Richard… you’ll again be against Labour forming a “Stop The Torries” coalition?
Value Is Everything
Needed to go.
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