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  • #301611
    andyod
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    Well Horsesmouth we have seen FencingMaster; following is a quote from At the Races
    "Fencing Master was a little disappointing, especially as he was BACKED HEAVILY, but he made up good late ground after racing lazily off the home turn.
    He may benefit from a longer trip and will be of interest when O’Brien’s horses are performing MORE CONSISTENTLY."(upper case is mine)Even those in the know refuse to acknowledge the bug!So what do you think now? Waiting for Lillie Langtrey?I hope not.One swallow does not a summer make.I would love to see her win but won’t back any Ballydoyle horses until the bug is gone. How will I know? The horses will tell me at the track.Age of Aquarious ran a good race and so did Fame and Glory at Epsom but they are not the three year olds from whom so much was expected

    #301621
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    Your probably right, could well be something amiss. I’ve never said there wasn’t, only that we should wait until after this week to make judgement. They’re just not firing.

    However, something to note: In the past, O’Brien’s had 1 or 2 top class 2yo colts, and maybe a high class filly aswell. These are the standard bearers. The rest (the Masterofthehorse’s, Septimus’s and Sail’s of the yard), never really achieve what seems likely. The "Class Acts" take the spotlight off them.

    This year has been different. His best horse, St.Nicholas Abbey, was injured after the 2000 guineas. Seemingly he was clocking abnormal times at home. Steinbeck in fairness did dissapoint, I’ll give you that. But these things happen. Lillie Langtry looks to be his best filly, and while O’Brien hasn’t had many high class fillies over the past few years, she does look like a smart prospect.

    The horses that are currently running may just simply be not good enough :?:

    #301638
    andyod
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    It’s like this.Either they,former group one horses are suddenly not good enough now or they are sick.When group one type horses (Fencing Master)cannot get into the frame in listed races surely we have a clue.Beethoven and Fencingmaster finished within a neck of each other in the Dewhurst; now they cannot raise a gallop! How much evidence do we need?You know what I believe.That’s it for me.

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    The Dewhurst form has worked out septicly.

    #301643
    andyod
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    Thanks to the Ballydoyle horses! Why can’t I quit on this? Do I need more evidence? Has Aidan lost his gifts and skills?Somebody backed Fencing Master today. Do they not realize the Ballydoyle stars of last year are the duds of this one.All of them! Maybe tomorrow.Good night sweet prince….

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    Andydod, there may well be something amiss, I’m not saying there’s not. Only that maybe the horses currently running are not their A Grade horses. What IS clear is that they’re not running up to the form they have shown previously. We may never know the reason, but a bug in the stable has to be one of the possibilities. If Lillie Langtry is unable to reproduce her stellar effort behind Anna Salai and Music Show today then something must be wrong. Could O’Brien go the week without a winner? :shock:

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    Can not say for definite if there is a bug, but 2 winners in GB so far this season is an apalling record for such a stable, the only 2 winners being in The Dante and the Coronation Cup.

    Unacceptable. Punters should steer clear.

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    I would be shocked if Age of Aquarius is not tailed off.

    Age Of Aquarius just touched off, Lillie Langtry wins the Group 1, Mikhael Glinka wins the Group 3, another winner at Limerick tonight. I bet most stables wished that all bugs had the same affect on their horses. When they have been good enough they have won, when they have lost it has been because they have not been good enough.

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    When they have been good enough they have won, when they have lost it has been because they have not been good enough.

    Thank you, Aidan. Someone who agrees that your namesake losing a bunch of races he wanted to win is not a cosmic conspiracy.

    #301819
    andyod
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    Please Aidan, We are NOT talking about the B team winning in Ireland during the Ascot meeting. We ARE talking about last years stars not delivering this year.Again let me repeat At First Sight 4th in a Group Two. Fencing Master 6th in a Listed race.Are you getting the picture? It gets worse Rip Van Winkle 6th in a Group One.Beethoven, Steinbeck in last four to finish out the back door in a Group One. Now add to that the failure of the Derby favs.(French and English)and even you must acknowledge that "Houston We Have a Problem" If you don’t want to address the failures I am pointing out good enough but please stop using Limerick and Fairyhouse to justify the vast expense of raising thoroughbreds.

    #301831
    Aidan
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    You are clueless….if there was a bug or virus in the yard it would not matter if the horses are in their A,B,C,D or E Grade – they just would not be winning.

    If you cannot see that they are simply not strong in the three year old division then I give up. In fact give up anyway.

    Please Aidan, We are NOT talking about the B team winning in Ireland during the Ascot meeting. We ARE talking about last years stars not delivering this year.Again let me repeat At First Sight 4th in a Group Two. Fencing Master 6th in a Listed race.Are you getting the picture? It gets worse Rip Van Winkle 6th in a Group One.Beethoven, Steinbeck in last four to finish out the back door in a Group One. Now add to that the failure of the Derby favs.(French and English)and even you must acknowledge that "Houston We Have a Problem" If you don’t want to address the failures I am pointing out good enough but please stop using Limerick and Fairyhouse to justify the vast expense of raising thoroughbreds.

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    I can’t believe I need to post this:-

    Ballydoyle don’t have a Divine Right to win every Group 1.

    #301852
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    I thought Paco Boy was very unlucky. When he eventually got a run Goldakova had got a few lengths head start

    #301861
    andyod
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    "If you cannot see that they are simply not strong in the three year old division then I give up." Before the year is up this statement will come back to haunt you, I predict!This is one of the best barns of three year olds that Ballydoyle ever had.

    #301953
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    The only 3yo that’s dissapointed is Steinbeck!

    #301956
    Swifto
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    I can see Paco reveresing this result if Hughes didnt give Goldikova a 3L headstart. If he had got an opening beforehand Paco would have won this race, no question.

    Paco Boy is in the form of his life putting on weight again according to the yard.

    Not sure what happend to RVW. I think their tactics were to go at pace and wear the others done but RVW didnt finish himself.

    One things for sure, Paco Boy vs. Goldikova will be one hell or a race!

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    Totally disagree. Goldikova was idling in front. They could have gone around again and she’d have stayed there. Also have to remember that Goldikova is a lot more versatile. She was ridden close to the pace because Peslier thought there wouldn’t be much. Had she had a pacemaker, she’d have been out the back with Paco Boy and the same result would have transpired.

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