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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Aiden always or nearly always plays his best miler in this race. The Gurkha at 4/1 looks in with a fair chance and is capable whatever the going throws up.
    Belardo would be a danger if it came up very soft but I’d still expect The Gurkha to prevail with more improvement in him to come and a rest since the Sussex.

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    #1259154
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    I’m not so sure he’ll run Nath. I wouldn’t be surprised if they aim him at the Breeders Cup which would probably take this race out of the equation. Much will depend on whether they intend to keep him in training. My guess is that he’ll take in the Moulins in September then on to the USA, then retirement. If not it could be Moulins, QEII and leave the BC until next year. But then again I am not very good at second guessing Ballydoyle and I suppose anything is possible! I’d still like to see them try 10f on fast ground.

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    #1259156
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    Yes Joni, I’m 2nd guessing but that’s why William Hill are 4/1. If he does line up and in good health he’d be an even money shot at best or thereabouts. I’m not sure how highly Aiden views the Champion trainer title and it could even be already won by then. I’d like to see the horse run as a 4 year old, he only made his debut this season so he was possibly a bit backward at two and can improve with another year. There’s always the possibility of taking in both this and the Breeders Cup, off the top of my head they did the same with Excelebration (twice), Henrythenavigator and George Washington. If there was betting on The Gurkha to run in the French race or the QE11 I’d take the QE11 at odds against as I’ve got a gut feeling that Aiden likes this race on his horses CV.

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    #1259166
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    Fair point. Certainly worth a few quid at those odds Nath.

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    Zelzal is entered in this also @ 8-1.

    He broke the course record last time out and is due to run in the Jacques Le Marois or Prix du Moulin before this.

    Interesting comment by Ed Walker on Zelzal re. Stormy Antarctic

    “To be honest, I wouldn’t be afraid of taking on any of the milers but I’m not that keen to take on Zelzal again. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up the best of the lot.
    “Don’t get me wrong, The Gurkha and Galileo Gold are exceptional horses, but I was very impressed by that horse yesterday and I’d be keen to stay clear of him, I think he’ll be in search of fast ground so we’ll see.”

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    I noticed The Gurkha had drift earlier today and just read this on sporting life – Sussex Stakes winner The Gurkha underwent surgery on Friday with all future plans on hold.

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    His owners Coolmore Stud announced on twitter that the French Guineas hero, trained by Aidan O’Brien, had suffered an injury and that they were in no rush to suggest what may lie in wait.

    The tweets read: “The Gurkha setback – Classic winning miler The Gurkha, last seen winning the Sussex S. has met with a further setback.

    “He was referred to Fethard Equine hospital and underwent surgery last night.

    “He was discharged this morning and is back in his box. Future plans will be announced at a later date.”

    As well as his two Group One success he was a narrow second in both the St James’s Palace Stakes and the Coral-Eclipse.

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    I’ve done Galileo Gold at 5/1 because I expected he will shorten a fair bit if winning in France tomorrow.

    5/1 seemed a good price anyway, as I feel Galileo Gold can benefit from autumn ground. I am not sure Zelzal will come over and whether he will be suited by the conditions late in the season.

    The Gurkha is as low as 5/2 for the race and that looks ropey after a procedure and some doubts arising from it.

    5/1 seems to be still available with Hills for Galileo Gold.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1259732
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    William Hill are still 5’s as I’ve just stuck a few quid on him.

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    Held off having a bet in this till now. Seems to be a fair bit of cash for Minding this afternoon.

    Never backed the filly before and looking at the opposition she seems to have a different level of form to these especially after her 3rd in the Irish Champion which looks the best form going at the moment.

    Minding 6-1 to win

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    I thought the lads were toying with the idea of running Alice springs. Minding would then go for champion. They could also run found in the champion as they did last year and with the ground good to firm she would take all the beating. Hopefully found ends up at Santa Anita and pray the lads keep her in training.

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    Galileo Gold and Minding have been on the go all year and as a consequence I’m keen to take them on.

    We know Ribchester loves the track, he hasn’t had that much racing this year and seems to be improving. The only slight doubt is he’s a big striding colt who’s best two runs have come over a straight course. Watching a replay of the sussex stakes he takes an age to get into his full stride and that would be a concern with the short straight at Ascot.

    Anyway selection is RIBCHESTER 2-1 :good:

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    Pretty certain this is run over the straight course anyway

    #1266666
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    Pretty certain this is run over the straight course anyway

    Yeah good point

    For some reason I had it in my mind all these old QE11’s that were run over the round course

    Anyway makes him an even bigger certainty :-)

    #1266671
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    It’s hard to find a chink in his armour and he looks set for a big run. If we get a lot of rain, I’ll be interested in Jet Setting having won well last time and she’s been supplemented which tells you she’s come out of her last race well.

    Lightning Spear has had a nice break and comes in relatively fresh. He’ll need to improve 4-6lbs to figure here, but having only had 10 career starts, it’s not completely out the question

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    Added Hit it a Bomb to win @ 33’s

    And e/w @ 33’s

    #1266860
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    I thought ribchester looked laboured in his last run so won’t be going for him. Minding looks an obvious threat and will like the going. Only worry is she has had a long season and the drop back in trip. I think she will cope though as she travelled sweetly in the Irish champion. Jet setting must come into calculations if it rains a bit more but hit it a bomb I think will use this as prep for breeders cup mile. At the prices atwaad is the value to me although given Aidens golden run it will probably be minding.

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