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    darren83
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    GALILEO GOLD 2/1

    Top miler he is in this field 2000 guineas winner as long he not making the running and just be ridden 3rd or 4th in early part of race then go past them in final few furlongs should have to much class for them

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    Palmer is quite sweet on him. He’d be my choice to Daz
    Still think it was a poor excuse about the pacemaker last time. Have they got one this time..?

    Blackbeard to conquer the World

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    goreisking
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    Zelzal different league to GG but I wouldnt be confident over the straight mile, round course Zelzal wins it easily.

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    Zelzal different league to GG but I wouldnt be confident over the straight mile, round course Zelzal wins it easily.

    No doubt in my mind that Zelzal is the best 8F horse in Europe.So i took some of the 12’s E/W on Stormy Antarctic to uphold the form.

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    Zelzal different league to GG but I wouldnt be confident over the straight mile, round course Zelzal wins it easily.

    No doubt in my mind that Zelzal is the best 8F horse in Europe.So i took some of the 12’s E/W on Stormy Antarctic to uphold the form.

    Beaten 12l by The Gurkha over 8f. So that’s a big claim.

    "this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"

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    Beaten 12l by The Gurkha over 8f. So that’s a big claim.

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    I know it’s a brave call but i feel that at least good ground is essential for this horse.

    Sometimes you see something in a horse and think to yourself straight away ” that’s a very good horse “. That’s my feeling with Zelzal.If the ground comes up soft at Ascot it looks like the Breeders Cup could be an alternative.

    It’s great for racing to see superstars.

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    Zelzal different league to GG but I wouldnt be confident over the straight mile, round course Zelzal wins it easily.

    No doubt in my mind that Zelzal is the best 8F horse in Europe.So i took some of the 12’s E/W on Stormy Antarctic to uphold the form.

    Beaten 12l by The Gurkha over 8f. So that’s a big claim.

    Jean-Claude Rouget was at a bit of a loss to explain Zelzal’s poor effort in the French Guineas. I was a bit distraught myself, having backed him at 14/1 ante-post.

    I posted Zelzal’s debut win video on the forum, as I felt he looked a bit special, and other than the Guineas effort he has looked pretty good.

    Rouget ultimately felt that perhaps that Group 1 race was a bit too much, too soon for Zelzal, after two fairly moderate contests, albeit that he hosed up in both of them.

    Some people felt Zelzal was a contender for the Arc but I rejected 50/1 because I don’t think he has a chance in hell of getting 12f.

    I have taken 2/1 on Galileo Gold here. I felt he ran well last time despite the focus seemingly being on hailing The Gurkha as the second coming.

    Just a doubt about Ribchester truly getting a mile for me still, and at the relative odds I liked Galileo Gold. I wouldn’t be going more than 6/4 myself, so 2/1 looks well worth taking on a consistent horse with talent.

    Galileo Gold 2/1 is solid looking value.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Well they are all allowed one bad run – they are not machines. Zelzal has certainly done little else wrong but I feel the top two milers have shown consistently high-class form and until Zelzal beats one of them, the jury is still out.

    Should be a cracking race on Sunday. I am inclined to go with Steve and say that GG will win. He has been expertly handled by his trainer and should still be relatively fresh. Ribchester certainly looked like he was making ground hand-over-fist at Goodwood but I don’t think he was an unlucky loser. He had every chance and just took a while to pick up. I doubt GG will have to make his own running this time and I take him to win again.

    "this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"

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    Stormy Antarctic out to 20’s NRNB @PP. Oh well, in for a penny and all that.

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    Another factor with Richard Fahey’s Ribchester is the stable being on about 8% strike rate this past fortnight.

    Last August they were running at 16% for the month, so they are roughly half efficiency so far in this August.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Oh dear, man the lifeboats.

    After two favourites and two losers last week, French Racing expert Liz Price is tipping Galileo Gold this week.

    Helllllp!

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1259757
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    This certainly doesn’t look a vintage renewal.

    I have never warmed to Galileo Gold. He was a surprise winner of the 2,000 Guineas, pretty much trounced at at a short price in the Irish equivalent, had the run of the race at Royal Ascot and despite a similar passage at Goodwood couldn’t confirm the placings. Clearly very useful but a long way short of exceptional. Of course he might not need to be exceptional to see off today’s field but at best price 2/1 I don’t think he makes that much appeal.

    Personally, I would rather just watch or have a small each-way on Esoterique in the hope that she might recapture a little of last season’s sparkle. That would see her in the mix for a place, if not better.

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    Unsure how this is going to unfold but I still see Vadamos as relatively unexposed as a group 1 miler. He hasn’t raced in a group 1 mile race in his career and his most recent victories over a mile in group 2/3 races have shown he has a really sweet turn of foot.

    Group 1 races as follows:
    12 lengths behind A Shin Hikari over 9f on heavy ground in May.
    Distance behind California Chrome over 10f on Dirt.
    Distance behind Fascinating Rock over 10f on good to soft

    He always looked to me like he was best suited to 8f on good ground and although his recent victories have been up against either weak or out of form opposition, he put the races to bed easily.
    He is also a very good looking horse and looks very much in his prime right now.

    GG and Ribchester are very hard to split and on form look like they should be battling this out, but it hasn’t been that long since Goodwood and if there are frailties there then Vadamos can possibly pick up the pieces.

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    I agree with you Chivers, Vadamos looks a value bet…
    And agree with Stilvi in that Galileo Gold is too short. Had the run of the race at both Ascot and Goodwood, unlikely to get it here with a pacemaker and Arod. It’s more consistency and temperament that makes him so good; as Group 1 form goes isn’t one with an exceptional rating.

    Ribchester is just as good as Galileo Gold and showed improving, available at a bigger price and Galileo Gold won’t be getting it all his own way this time. May well suit a hold up horse. Stable’s current strike rate is what you’d expect from his overall SR and when not winning they’ve generally been running as well as expected (good place stat). 11/4 seems fair enough, but there are a couple here that look even better value, so just a saver for me.

    Stormy Antarctic was only a couple of lengths behind France’s best miler Zelzal in the Jean Prat last time. However, winner won with quite a bit to spare and form behind looked no more than Group 2 class.

    Vadamos is the in form French miler amongst today’s field, albeit form has one or two question marks. Only a Group 3 last time but won it with a bit to spare. Also has a victory in a Group 2 win fromt Ervedya to his name. Latter and Esoterique have chances on their best form but both disappointing last time, around 7/1 looks worth taking a chance Vadamos form will prove reliable.

    One I like was well behind Galileo Gold and Ribchester in the Sussex. Lightning Spear didn’t get the run of the race and the truly run Queen Anne suited him far better. Finishing fast when 1 3/4 lengths behind Tepin. Looks vastly under-rated. This race more likely to play to his strengths.

    Backed Lightning Spear each way, Vadamos to win, with a saver on Ribchester.
    If you can get on Paris Mutuel Lightning Spear could pay massive!

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    LostSoldier3
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    Yet another bodyblow for the 3-y-o fanboys. Zelzal now arguably the best of the bunch with Ribchester next best.

    #1259781
    goreisking
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    Zelzal….can’t even run on a straight mile and would of still won that donkey race by 15 lengths! Haha what a terrible race that was. Ribchester seriously a group 1 winner? Come on that’s a listed horse! The colts are so weak this year it’s terrible!

    #1259782
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    I don’t remember too many horses like Galileo Gold. Five runs and five favours for the bookmakers. All that experience and he is still doing his best impression of a runaway train.

    An absolutely shocking renewal. Ribchester just beats a Group 2 horse and you could virtually throw a blanket over the rest of the field. That was surely conclusive evidence that Esoterique has gone at the game. Given the lack of market support I suspect those closest to her already knew that her time was up.

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