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    halfwaytoheaven
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    However, it’d take a very brave punter to write off Le Harve with the kind of form Lemaire and Rouget are in.

    Rouget & Lemaire do it with Le Harve.

    What a team.

    4 wins today, theyve won every group race in France.

    This is their year

    #232524
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    Nice selection MDeering, he won that very well, and Naaqoos having lost to him is not looking that bad of a horse now since his narrow defeat.

    #232528
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    Nice selection MDeering, because of your post I had a small play on Betfair to a small stakes. I have now recovered most my losses on Rainbow View, so thank you Sir.

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    Top stuff, MDeering.

    #232534
    halfwaytoheaven
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    Great pick Myles. As I said in the other thread, Rouget and Lemaire are unstoppable right now. Theyre usually unstoppable right at the beginning of the season but this is a somewhat extended run this year.

    The French 3yos are looking particularly strong this year

    #232594
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    Thats exceptional MD, well played.

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    Best bit of tipping seen on here for a long time :wink: I hope you had plenty on…..did you remember and put that $1,000 aus forecast on for me :lol:

    Very well done!!!

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    Congrats Miles – hope you had a chunk on :)

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    Good call, MD. 8)

    I’m amazed how Beheshtam was ridden here, considering he was supplemented.
    The horse has a stamina-packed pedigree, has won both his previous races – over 12 & 13 furlongs – on softer ground, and yet was dropped right out, to come with a late run?
    Obviously a trial with something better in mind later, but proof, if any were needed, that you don’t need bookmakers for horses not to be ridden on their merits.

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    It’s a good feeling. This is my bread and butter – more than the local scene – so wins like these justify my eagerness to enter the racing media industry, and hopefully give some integrity and respect to the international racing scene.

    Ok, enough flattery and self-flattery – back to business.

    Beheshtam. Reserved for the absolute tail entering the straight, on the inside and three-to-four waves of horses in front of him.

    From this position I would expect most horses grab hold of the white flag. It’s almost an impenetrable task, made worse by a typical muddling tempo in this case.

    Christophe Soumillon (correct?) has idled for 100m seeking a clear passage, Beheshtam has changed lanes on a few occasions and yet half-a-dozen horses are now behind him.

    Gap opens @ 325m and Soumillon takes it but it’s a rough ride. He shifts inwards, gets physical w/ horses on both flanks but the momentum’s not lost. Once clear he rides Beheshtam confidently and the horse stays supremely well – no sprint, but was that expected of him?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8SEZ0VTUhQ

    Champions are measured (to a degree) on their tenacity to achieve when against the grain, chips are down etc etc

    For the Aga Khan to have supplemented Beheshtam in a race slightly unsuitable in distance indicates how highly regarded he must be.

    He’ll win the Grand Prix de Paris by a street, and is tempting @ 16/1 for the Arc, a price likely to plummet if he wins the Grand Prix by said street.

    Canal+: "Phe-no-me-nal Jean-Claude Rouget".

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    It’s a good feeling. This is my bread and butter – more than the local scene – so wins like these justify my eagerness to enter the racing media industry, and hopefully give some integrity and respect to the international racing scene.

    No, it doesn’t … your journalistic skills and racing knowledge will determine that, rather than a one-off (or even a series of) bet(s).

    Muchos congrats on the tipping though … quite impressive. I couldn’t see much of an angle to be honest, only that it was too sharp for the Aga Khan horse, and Westphalia not quite good enough. Well done.

    #232743
    Avatar photoMDeering
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    You are the most cynical and bitter individual I’ve ever encountered online, but I’ll take your compliment and offer a :wink: and a :)

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    Beheshtam. Reserved for the absolute tail entering the straight, on the inside and three-to-four waves of horses in front of him.

    From this position I would expect most horses grab hold of the white flag. It’s almost an impenetrable task, made worse by a typical muddling tempo in this case.

    Christophe Soumillon (correct?) has idled for 100m seeking a clear passage, Beheshtam has changed lanes on a few occasions and yet half-a-dozen horses are now behind him.

    Gap opens @ 325m and Soumillon takes it but it’s a rough ride. He shifts inwards, gets physical w/ horses on both flanks but the momentum’s not lost. Once clear he rides Beheshtam confidently and the horse stays supremely well – no sprint, but was that expected of him?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8SEZ0VTUhQ

    Champions are measured (to a degree) on their tenacity to achieve when against the grain, chips are down etc etc

    For the Aga Khan to have supplemented Beheshtam in a race slightly unsuitable in distance indicates how highly regarded he must be.

    He’ll win the Grand Prix de Paris by a street, and is tempting @ 16/1 for the Arc, a price likely to plummet if he wins the Grand Prix by said street.

    Canal+: "Phe-no-me-nal Jean-Claude Rouget".

    Disagree!
    Connections obviously had no intention of winning with the horse, and probably put him in this to see if he’d enough speed to win an Arc, so they could plan his future training programme.
    As it turns out, the horse may well be good enough but, no way on Earth, was he ridden with any other ambition than a look-see yesterday.

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    For the Aga Khan to have supplemented Beheshtam in a race slightly unsuitable in distance indicates how highly regarded he must be.

    Is this what you are disagreeing to, Reet? Was slightly confused if you were referring to the entire post or not.

    I tend to agree with you – the concept of a look-see has merit.

    But, I have slight doubts over entering a horse in a Group 1 – a European Classic – only to compete for the purposes of "trialling". If that were the case, the Aga Khan is bringing French racing into disrepute as a result, don’t you think?

    I think the inclusion of a green-with-red-epaulettes horse + Soumillon did enormous favours to the race and the wagering revenue all round, but integrity is paramount.

    Besides, if Beheshtam was indeed competing at trial capacity, then this performance was phe-no-me-nal! :wink: :D

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    MD

    My disagreement was with the whole tenor of your post, that Beheshtam was a bona fide contender who was just unlucky in running, (and the underlying assumption that we all need lessons in race-reading).
    Little point in triallling the horse against gp3 opposition – which he may beat whether he’s good enough for an Arc or not – then gearing his whole season to a race where they’re still unsure he’d be competitive. The Arc has far more signifcance in the breeding world than Sunday’s race.
    Happens in all racing jurisdictions, at all levels, and often with horses shorter in the betting than he was; none of which makes it okay, of course!

    #232902
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    (and the underlying assumption that we all need lessons in race-reading).

    Not at all. I was merely placing emphasis on the performance as I believe it was very good. I’m just being enthusiastic, is all.

    #232910
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    I see some quarters in France are calling for the Prix du Jockey Club to be run over 12f again

    RP Article here

    Personally I would like to see the race back over the mile and a half

    However it also begs the question as to why the French don’t just send their 12f horses over to Ireland or, God forbid, Epsom!

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