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Fely please no ridiculous excuses for Camelot he’s the most overrtaed Derby winner of all time. Next Season will be Aidens year he has a real horse in Mars who could go right to the top. He does look special but Camelot never did
It certainly appears that Orfevre should have won it and let’s hope he runs in the Champion. It wasn’t however too much of a surprise an outsider won it on heavy ground which wouldn’t have suited most of the runners and the form shouldn’t be taken on face value.
Good to hear Camelot stays in training.
Was Orfevre’s run in the last 50 yards a reaction to the infernal noise from the grandstand? So: Did Japanese spectators prevent their horse from winning the race in the end?
There is a similar incident in racing-history: Devon Loch’s mystery fall in the GN, when the audience anticipated their beloved Queen Mum’s horse winning the race.
Official announcement concerning the Coggins-Test of 292 horses put in quarantine at Cologne race-track:
no anti-bodies of EIA found in these horses!
But the quarantine can only be ended, if there is the same result in thoses horses 90 days later.
While it may not have been a vintage Arc, nothing should be taken away from the first 2 home. There was a 7 length gap back to the third.
Solemia has clearly relished the conditions and left all her previous form behind. The fact that she was her owner’s selected entrant when Galikova was originally thought to be their Arc horse was perhaps the only clue to her well-being. Orfevre may well have been unfortunate but being able to cope with every aspect of a race situation is something that his mental strength lacked yesterday. It also shows that TAPK’s assertion that you need luck (or perhaps to avoid misfortune) to land any wager is essentially true.
She was not a horse I would have realistically considered but it was a reminder of the talents of M. Peslier who joined the illustrious roll call of 4 time winners of the race. It will be interesting to see if she is kept in training next year, the fillies programme is more in the 8-10f range whereas she looks to need at least 12f and very soft going to show her best.
Orfevre is clearly a top class horse and on better going it is hard to imagine anything to be able to get near him over 12f. If they can keep him sweet and want to have another attempt at a top European prize next season the King George would be a better target.
Masterstroke ran a huge race in third but was beaten as far as his form entitled him to be. The Fabre/Barzalona factor should never be dismissed lightly as he seldom rides for his mentor nowadays.
Camelot ran well enough after a very long season, Guineas horses usually start in February and while he has not been as good since a mid-summer break, he is still an exciting colt for next season.
Great Heavens did well but she lacks tactical speed and on a faster surface is always likely to struggle. If she goes to Ascot this will have sharpened her up as her trainer attempts to win the title.
Sea Moon looked out of his class, it is one thing to beat inferior animals. However he lacks mental strength and was beaten in the parade ring when he realized he was looking at superior opposition. I still think the Melbourne Cup might be a suitable target for him.
Saonois clearly found the going much too soft. If he remains in training he should make a nice horse next year.All in all a race dominated by the home-trained horses. Why people persist in believing that UK horses are value at prices far shorter than they should be remains one of life’s great mysteries.
Sad that Japan were denied their first Arc winner in Orfevre,who came within the skin of his teeth from acheiving victory.In the straight he accelerated like a rocket taking off and the race seemed over at the furlong pole.Sadly the colt’s stamina was sapped coming from so far behind and Oliver Peslier’s great tactical experience and judgement came in handy in taking his mount Solemia home in the last few strides.Ultimately this is what the sport of horse-racing is all about.
I really hope Orfevre stays in training to win the Arc next year.He needs a suitable pacemaker and I feel in this race he ran too far off the pace,having been made to cover too much ground.With a suitable draw he would almost certainly have won.
Had Nathaniel and Danedream participated it may have been one of the bets Arc’s of all time.
My Dad and me made our first visit to Longchamps on Saturday and Sunday, had a great time and both of us were up over the two days, something of a rarity hence we both now love going racing in France. Dad had the winner of the Arc but we both thought he was lucky in doing so. On course they showed an angle whereby Soumillon had got to the rail and had a very quick look behind him. After doing this he seemed to lose his rhythm with the horse. The second is obviously a quirky sort and in hindsight if he had left his challenge a little later he would have won.
Well, Orfevre is a "character", watch this (at 3:00 min) =>
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