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- June 7, 2008 at 09:53 #8031
Hello,
I am a lonely, inoffensive turd in the bathroom of life, and all it needs is a certain individual to flush me away..

Today it is Mr Bolger, his behaviour last year, re: Teofilio was shocking, this year it is bordering on, let’s be diplomatic, yep, shocking..

If Mr Akehurst, Mr and Mrs Ramsden or Barney Curley to name just a few behaved in the same fashion they would be strung up at the nearest winning post…
I am aware Mr Bolger’s actions are in no way a betting coup. He is a God Fearing, Church Going Tee-Totaller…but doesn’t that make it worse…

regards,
doyley
June 7, 2008 at 10:09 #167089Still drinking doyley?
But echo your sentiments…
June 7, 2008 at 10:10 #167093I think Jim Bolger has treated people (particularly punters) with contempt.
This was put to him in a TV interview and Bolger dismissed it. He clearly doesn’t see the "wrong" in what he’s done.
The New Approach / Derby thing has left a bad taste in peoples mouths which is a shame. I just wish Bolger would show a bit of humility and hold his hands up admit he’s handled the situation all wrong. I’m sure that would go a long way and people would be largely forgiving.
However until Jim accepts peoples point against him and realises that they actually have a point the bad taste will linger.
June 7, 2008 at 10:17 #167099Hello Ian,
Welcome to the Forum, and excellent post.
regards,
doyley
June 7, 2008 at 10:18 #167101Thank you Doyley.
June 7, 2008 at 10:45 #167111I’m just watching this RUK preamble to the Derby. Our own Lydia, Angus, James and Dave Mitchell are giving Bolger some right stick.
Maybe it’s because of an innate sense of fairness, but I feel compelled to defend Jim Bolger slightly.
Firstly, how much of Dave Mitchell’s venom is due to the fact that until the involvement of Sheikh Mohammed in his yard, Jim Bolger often refused to talk to the press without a donation to one of his charities. ATR were most annoyed for at least a year and Matt C was very critical of Jim Bolger’s stance one morning this winter, on Get On. The media in this country can be very vicious and they have long memories.
Secondly, if Mr Bolger was so anti-Epsom (and by extension, anti-English if you analyse some sub-texts on the topic), how come Teofilo was planned for the British Triple Crown last year? To general Kiplingesque acclaim from Mr Mitchell, if I remember correctly.
Thirdly, Mr Bolger clearly wants to win the Irish Derby in the country of his birth. I completely understand that and while I am saddened for the sake of our Derby, I’m inclined to sympathise. Even support. (Personally, I have an issue with the general UK obsession with the Arc as compared to the King George, St Leger or the Champion. The Nashwan decision making really annoyed me back in 1989. If I had a decent animal the Arc would be fourth on my list. I am aware that most disagree with me by the way).
Finally, I believe Mr Bolger was unlucky in his timing. The wise witches have been hovering around the breathless corpse of the Derby for several years.
The sirens sing: all the horses that win it are rubbish. Winning the race destroys a stallion career as effectively as castration. The course is designed in a madman’s imagination. The race is an anachronism. Even running in the race ruins horses.
Jim Bolger’s prevarication allowed a deep, national consensus to develop in favour of the Derby. And a national consensus often needs a scapegoat, a conduit.
Let’s face it, unless you’re a hard-core jumps enthusiast, the Derby is the race you wanted to win as a kid. It’s the big one, nirvana, the holy grail. No-one wants to see an icon like this fade away, because it inspires so many painful feelings of loss. People began to realise how much the Derby means and in a strange way, Jim Bolger has allowed a catharsis to happen. We should be grateful to him.
I’ll be backing New Approach each way out of respect.
June 7, 2008 at 11:06 #167115Hello Max,
Reading your post, it appears to make sense until you sit back and think.
You are actually defending an a*sehole.
My definition of an A. is a person who carries out activity only for his selfish ends, oblivious to the effects it may have on anyone around him.He is so wrapped up with his ownself he would find it quite bizarre that people would defend him an a humble web site.
The Irish Derby for me is a non-starter, the guy has been training for years, and possibly the "Irish for Me" is just media hype.
we have met and worked for a*seholes, and probably enjoyed their company..but the good man Bolger is the blinkered captain of selfishness.

regards,
doyley
June 7, 2008 at 12:16 #167128Ive’ got a question for those people that are attacking Bolger:
Do you think he’s the only one who has a say in where his horses run?
Could it be that the owners changed their minds and decided the horse should go to Epsom?
And, if so, does that mean Bolger is now being criticised for his openness (in the belief that he was helping the public) and saying what he thought was fact?
Personally, I’ve no idea. Maybe he’s just a tosser who deliberately misdirected ante-post punters? Who knows.
Finally, to those people who think that foreign trainers have an obligation to bring their best 3yo middle distance colts to Epsom (in an attempt to "rescue" the Derby from itself): feel free to join the real world.
England is no longer the be-all-and-end-all for European racing and French/Irish G1s carry enough prestige to attract the best runners.
Steve
June 7, 2008 at 12:34 #167131personally i like the simple approach of aidan obrien . he ignores every one and trains his horses publicly, on the race courses, where their improvement can be seen by all; no secrets, no excuses, no complaints.each time they run what you see is what you get. mcarthur will win next time he runs ,unless soldier of fortune is in the race, also soldier of fortune.no magic just the real thing.training is simple if you do it right.
June 7, 2008 at 12:42 #167133Could it be that the owners changed their minds and decided the horse should go to Epsom?
From what Jim Bolger has said it was his decision, nothing whatsoever to do with the owners.
Either that is the case or Mr Bolger is telling fibs and if he is it hardly does anything other than prove the "attackers" point somewhat regarding Mr Bolger and his alleged contempt for the public. .
June 7, 2008 at 12:49 #167136From what Jim Bolger has said it was his decision, nothing whatsoever to do with the owners.
Were those his words?
The idea that Sheikh Mohammed didn’t get involved in this decision seems incredible.
Steve
June 7, 2008 at 12:54 #167138From what Jim Bolger has said it was his decision, nothing whatsoever to do with the owners.
Were those his words?
The idea that Sheikh Mohammed didn’t get involved in this decision seems incredible.
Steve
I’m going off what was said on ATR earlier in the week. It was either Matt Chapman or Sean Boyce I can’t remember which forgive me, who stated that Jim Bolger had said that the decision to run New Approach in the Derby was his decision and his decision alone and not the decision of Sheikh Mohammed / Princess Haya or anybody else.
There has been no comeback on ATR that I’ve seen so I can only assume that Matt / Sean were accurate in what they said.
June 7, 2008 at 15:18 #167165Hello,
Life just isn’t fair…

regards,
doyley
June 7, 2008 at 15:20 #167166You have to feel sorry for those people that laid the horse on Betfair following Bolger dismissing the Derby.
We should celebrate the horse but that sour taste just gets stronger.
June 7, 2008 at 15:23 #167168
Laugh is all you can do.I have backed New Approach in his last five races (including the two guineas) and didn’t have a penny on him for The Derby. I just couldn’t see him winning this race.
1-0 to Bolger. Fair play to him.

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June 7, 2008 at 15:25 #167170Just been interviewed on BBC Bolger still doesn’t see what he’s done that is so wrong.
I have to agree he’s coming across as a real ******.
What a shame for the horse that the gloss has been taken off his brilliance by his trainers arrogance and lack of humility.
June 7, 2008 at 15:25 #167171You have to feel sorry for those people that laid the horse on Betfair following Bolger dismissing the Derby.
Why?
Because they thought there was zero chance the horse would run and wanted to pick up some sucker money?
Hahahaha!
Who are the suckers now?
Steve
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