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Timeform are suggesting Pinatubo is likely to earn a similar two year old mark to Frankel following yesterday’s national Stakes win, while Racing Post Ratings rate yesterday’s performance (128) ahead of Frankel’s Royal Lodge (125) and Dewhurst (126) but comfortably behind no fewer than three of Arazi’s two year old runs. Celtic Swing’s 133 (RP Trophy) was just a pound shy of Arazi’s Breeders’ Cup performance.
Wide margin wins are notoriously hard to assess and have resulted in many controversial ratings over the years.
Looks about right though? He looks a little machine. Out of a Dalakhani mare he should stay at least a mile comfortably and he’s one to keep us warm over the winter.
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In this instance i have to admit i think it’s a fair mark to be given. He won at a canter, but the horses in behind back the form up.
Arizona a Coventry winner with decent form around him that. Armory have followed the trodden path of many of AOB’s top 2yos. Armory probably had more to answer formwise, but seemed to be the “chosen” one even if the market supported Arizona quite a bit on the day.
He is some horse- I’d have him up there with Frankel as a 2yo no problem. The issue the connections have is getting him back on the track as a 3yo. Cecil managed Frankel who was a tricky customer magically, Pinatubo in theory should be much easier to manage. Injuries in the lap of the gods as always.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Timeform, suitably impressed, have him rated the second best two year old of the ‘modern era’ behind Celtic Swing.
Windy City remains their all-time top rated two year old.
There should be little doubt that Pinatubo is a superior 2yo to what Frankel was.
I would say the likelihood he will be a better 3yo than Frankel is incredibly unlikely however.
He is potentially the best 2 year-old I have ever seen . Mill Reef , Arazi , Zafonic and Frankel were extraordinary 2 year olds , and Pinatubo could very easily be in that class .
If he wins the Dewhurst with the minimum of fuss, and I expect he will , then the sky’s the limit for this little colt . Those weren’t donkeys he was annihilating at the Curragh .
I’ve been a fan since he made all that ground up at Epsom to win going away .
Just for the record . Another great horse who never did a tap at home and yet turned out to be an equine freak when he stepped onto the course – Sea Bird !
Can Pinatubo be in that class ? Only time will tell .
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I think it is a question of is he the archetypal fully developed 2yr old right now that might not have much improvement in him from 2-3 (say an Arazi type) compared to the less developed ones that will grow/strengthen much more and close the gap when their 3yr old season comes around.
Hearing his trainers comments about his attitude goes well for a good 3yr old season but I would be just a little wary about the Dewhurst more on the fact that it is late in the year and it will be his 6th run in a season which started on 10 May.
Named presumably after Mount Pinatubo, a volcano in the Phillippines that erupted violently in the ’90s killing many hundreds, including a geologist sent there to monitor its rumblings
Grandsire – Giants Causeway, Dam – Lava Flow: nice one
An explosive performance on the Curragh I thought
Have Sleepy Hollow introduced Timefigures for Irish racing yet?
The aforementioned Celtic Swing returned top-notch Figures to back-up his 2YO form ratings
Was lucky enough to be at Goodwood when it almost appeared to be an optical illusion in the manner in which he accelerrated away from the field. No doubt in mind at all that we are seeing a very significant horse developing here
I was lucky enough to be at the Curragh on Sunday and apart from the obviously impressive performance two things I noticed, one he has a very laid back temperament in the paddock and after the race he didn’t blow at all in the winners enclosure suggesting the race didn’t take a lot out of him.
@ Himself – I agree. He’s right up there with that all-time exceptional 2yo list: Mill Reef (Gimcrack, Coventry), Zafonic (Salamande, Dewhurst), Frankel (Royal Lodge), Arazi (BCJ). No question; he’s that good. He may even be better, as the acceleration he showed on Sunday as he rocketed away from that field was not unlike that of a top class mature sprinter – Dayjur, Battaash (on a good day). Maybe he won’t train on; maybe he is just a 2yo. But this colt is no one performance wonder. He has just got better and better each time he has come to the track. He is also as laid back as they come and evidently does very little at home. So, there is every chance that he will be back next year for more of the same.
In the meantime, let’s enjoy him – as an exceptional 2yo colt who, because connections had no idea what they had, has been campaigned as an old-style exceptional 2yo. Mill Reef’s first race was in May of his 2yo year, and he too went on to run in and win the Dewhurst, after running in the Coventry, the Prix Robert Papin, the Gimcrack and the Middle Park. Over 50 years on from his birth, and with so much fragility evident in the modern day TB, it’s refreshing to see a colt with the constitution and temperament to do the same. Pina”turbo”’s performances, cumulatively, have lit up this year’s flat season. In a season where the 2yo colts have looked a particularly strong bunch, he is a class apart.
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