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Feckin hell, calling her a "he" now, I thought the name give the game away!
Can we then presume that ‘our’ Kauto Star is a gelding?
It’s why i put the picture up… was getting bit of a complex everyone calling me a he haha
Hands an easy lead to the Jarvis trained animal and sits motionless in his own inimitable brainless fashion until the race boils down to a 3 furlong sprint.
Surprised no-one has picked up on this quote from the original post with regard to the 3 furlong sprint bit.
There were three races over the 11f 101yards distance on the day and the maiden in which Wraith was beaten was by some way the fastest of the three.
There were three races over the 11f 101yards distance on the day and the maiden in which Wraith was beaten was by some way the fastest of the three.
That doesn’t necessarily mean that it was still "fast run" although I take your point.
Recent arrivals to TRF may wish to have a look at this thread from a couple of years ago;
https://theracingforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12688&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Daylight’s signing off message must have been one of his last. Nearly 2 years now.
So, people have a problem with someone who repeatedly starts threads criticising jockeys; fair enough.
But, to the same people have an issue with someone who repeatedly starts threads on a horse that they own? Probably not..
What exactly is wrong with starting a thread on a horse you own?
I suspect this is a dig at AP. If so, I for one have enjoyed his insights into the nuts and bolts of racehorse ownership on this Forum.MP,
A brilliant encirclement. If I post on threads you have started or contributed to, I’m ‘targetting’ you.
If I stop posting on such threads, you’ll simply claim I’ve lost the argument.
I’m not going to continue this debate, which I’m sure you will regard as a great victory.
Any man that has ever been asked ‘do you like this dress’ will be familiar with the problem.
AP
I had ignored the Salselon posting – anyone that can turn two threads in 2008 into ‘repeatedly’ needs help.
AP
What exactly is wrong with starting a thread on a horse you own?
Quite. It seems odd for the racing enthusiasts at large to crab at the lack of transparency from owners, trainers, riders, officials, commentators, race-readers, Spotlight writers, stewards, etc., only for the efforts of those few who do post on here, Neigh, Talking Horses or wherever else to attract negative comment for so doing.
And to be clear – I refer to the actuality of the posts rather than the contents here. I can’t imagine AP, Katchit or whosoever else expects unfettered praise of them and their horses on these threads, nor do they get it (a mistake which I think the children of Robert "Iris’s Gift" Lester made during their brief tenure here).
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Any man that has ever been asked ‘do you like this dress’ will be familiar with the problem.
The correct answer is always “Yes”, followed by as much fence-sitting as possible whilst the umming and ahhing is taking place.[/color:3qevirv4]
For me, I have no issue with a thread which criticises a particular ride, provided open debate is encouraged. I also have no issue with a thread which criticises a particular jockey, provided there is some evidence given and it is not derogatory on a needlessly personal level. He may well be a terrible rider, but he is not a ****.
Sometimes, I think MP makes sweeping generalisations based on selected, limited evidence, and sometimes I think MP is a bit disrespectful to individuals – there is skill in being critical but not abusive. However, the forum is a good place to air grievances and explore the opinions you might have, especially as you will get lots of feedback on it from a variety of informed or interested sources.
In this instance, I don’t think Durcan rode a poor race – the race was lost essentially because Wraith is a moderate horse, and one who was over-rated by the market. I also don’t think Durcan is a ‘brainless’ jockey – he is not an outstanding rider, but he has more ability than plenty of other jockeys riding at the moment.
I had ignored the Salselon posting – anyone that can turn two threads in 2008 into ‘repeatedly’ needs help.
AP
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I have no problem with you starting threads on whichever horse you own at whatever point in time. However, that does not remain when you choose to castigate someone for starting numerous threads on jockeys and jockeyship. I don’t agree with MP, and don’t necessarily find her posts on jockeyship to be the reason i view this forum – however, she is entitled to make them without immediate rebuke from you, in the form of your snide quote that whose opinion should you take – MP’s or Henry Cecil’s. Unfair and a childish way to pursue the topic.
I don’t like to see anyone treated like MP (i am far from saying you are alone, and i think you are far from the worst) has been on this and other threads. It is a form of bullying.
On a side point, I find some of the ‘adoration’ of yourself from other forumites just a little stomach churning, although obviously not your fault.
What exactly is wrong with starting a thread on a horse you own?
Quite. It seems odd for the racing enthusiasts at large to crab at the lack of transparency from owners, trainers, riders, officials, commentators, race-readers, Spotlight writers, stewards, etc., only for the efforts of those few who do post on here, Neigh, Talking Horses or wherever else to attract negative comment for so doing.
gcQuite indeed. That 2 forumites jump to the defence of AP!
I don’t think anyone (if I may be as daring as to speak for all) is interested in ‘transparency’ from commentators, race-readers, Spotlight writers – how can they be transparent when they comment on, report and analyse races – they are certainly not an integral part of racing. What have they got to be transparent about?!
"Kingston Town" is now back in the UK – recently posted in the "Lounge".
Regards – Matron
There’s no need to personalise what Salselon said. It could be AP or Gary Glitter that he’s referring to but Salselon should be able to make that comment without being told by what I believe one member of the forum recently described as "the racing forums thought police" not to.
I’m sure you are all passionate about racing in your own special ways so lets try and not get spiteful to one another.
Personally I think we need all the women on this forum we can get as it all seems to have gone a bit sour since people like Ugly Mare and Kingston Town left, and if anyone thinks thats positive discrimination please go and be someone else’s shrink.
I havn’t slept for 36 hours so i’m off for a lie down.
There is no such thing as "positive" discrimination just discrimination. "Positive" discrimination is just a left wing b***sh*t creation for their own purposes.
Please don’t get me started on politics it isn’t wise I will rant and I won’t be able to control myself.
Could someone for heaven sakes tell Flash what positive discrimination is please or otherwise i’ll have to look it up and actually find out what it is myself………….
I know the definition marb its a dogooderism but there is no such thing by mere definition of "discrimination". There cannot possibly be.
Its a myth in other words, a dreamed up political notion by the loony lefties.
They are either on drugs or need to be.
Although not necessarily accurate, I have always seen Positive discrimination to be a swing in favour of the minority to bring them into balance with the majority. Although by nature it is not entirely "positive"as it discriminates against the merits of the majority "Positive Discrimination" is the name of it. The biggest example I can think of recently was the drive (in accordance with the Patton report) to balance the PSNI 50% Catholic/Nationalist, despite them not representing 50% of the applicant population, and creating a situation whereby they were recruiting people almost exclusively from the Nationalist population ragardless of their merits to meet balancing targets rather than looking at the best peole for the job. Not necessarily positive that is the name of it flash.
In employment in a multicultural society it is generally looked upon at the top level as a necessity amongst large companies and especially government departments, who have to attempt to show positve statistics in accordance with Race discrimination and Equal Opportunities legislature.
Yes I know but I was generalising and new someone would have to be anal.
Hello Kingston by the way. Have you learnt how to back and lay a horse yet? Marb,
I do hope this was not directed at me.
Regards- Matron
Although not necessarily accurate, I have always seen Positive discrimination to be a swing in favour of the minority to bring them into balance with the majority. Although by nature it is not entirely "positive"as it discriminates against the merits of the majority "Positive Discrimination" is the name of it. The biggest example I can think of recently was the drive (in accordance with the Patton report) to balance the PSNI 50% Catholic/Nationalist, despite them not representing 50% of the applicant population, and creating a situation whereby they were recruiting people almost exclusively from the Nationalist population ragardless of their merits to meet balancing targets rather than looking at the best peole for the job. Not necessarily positive that is the name of it flash.
I am well aware of all that its all false, its all wrong.
Anything that goes against a majority isn’t democratic and no discrimination can ever be "positive" as any form of discrimination is just that discriminating against someone / something.
The truth is of course that you can never have a world without discrimination because it isn’t possible to "be for one" without being "against another". When the majority are discriminated against it makes a complete nonsense of democracy.
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