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MP,
Why don’t you just start a thread listing the jockeys you think are OK. It shouldn’t take more than thirty words and would save you having to start another two hundred threads during the year.
On the subject of Ted Durcan, you don’t rate him and Henry Cecil does – hmm, tricky one, whose opinion shall I go with?
AP
MP,
I know this may be a shock, but this is a forum. If everybody keeps their views to themself, it ceases to exist.
It also seems that your ability to read a post is on a par with your ability to read a race. I have made no attempt to defend the ride on Wraith (which I did watch), I’m just making a general point about your regular complaints against jockeys, hopefully in a light hearted way, But perhaps I need to litter every post with those little faces to indicate my intention.
You are perfectly entitled to your opinion about Durcan. But if nobody is allowed to comment on your post (except to agree with you) what exactly is the purpose of your thread? Are you hoping to persuade Henry Cecil to emply someone else?
AP
Are there any good jockeys out there?
Queally and Dwyer have also been beaten on the disappointing maiden Wraith
I can’t understand why Durcan is targeted but forums are for opinions I suppose and people have opinions, if I didn’t like a certain jockey I wouldn’t be backing anything they ride it’s as simple as that.
Mr Durcan at it again at Yarmouth – 4.00. The Cecil trained fav Wraith undoubtedly needs further based on last year’s form, so what does Durcan do over an inadequate trip? Hands an easy lead to the Jarvis trained animal and sits motionless [deleted]until the race boils down to a 3 furlong sprint. All of his race commentaries last year implied the horse had no turn of foot so the only way to win today was to make it a dour test of stamina.
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Surely a case to lay the beasts ridden by these bad jockeys, don’t moan fill yer boots!
Can’t comment on the individual ride but one of the functions of forums like this is to highlight what we see as poor rides – particularly if broadcasters/journalists turn a blind eye. Does it really matter if the same jockey is mentioned a few times. I don’t believe Henry Cecil would give two hoots for what the man in the street thinks but as for trainers knowing best about jockeys there are plenty of examples to make that look a shaky argument.
Henry Cecil obviously sees something in him, even if it is lost on the rest of us. That said all jockeys are prone to error, even if it does happen to others more often than it does the rest.
Take Richard Hughes and Jamie Spencer as examples just for today. The former clearly didn’t ride out a finish on Zamboozle at Lingfield and ultimately lost second (I don’t know if the stewards looked into this) and the latter looked to do everything he could to take Forced Upon Us out of Yarmouth’s 2.30. He gave the horse a couple of slaps two furlongs out to almost join the leader and then stopped riding completely, only deciding to offer up the whip once more (and it was no more than a flick) 50 yards from the line.
Many posts of the above nature may have an unnecessary ‘clogging’ effect if provided their own thread. But I don’t know how easy it would be to ‘police’ a thread dedicated to such a topic, given the inevitable throng of pocket-talkers.
MP
-Wraith has been beaten a combined 49 lengths on his previous 4 TURF starts.
-Wraith had recorded a highest RPR before today of 76 on TURF.
-Wraith on his 3rd start on TURF at Nottingham over 10f on TURF attracted a Raceform comment of "raced prominently for a long way, but did not appear to see out the trip"
-Wraith’s best (average) form is on POLYTRACK.
-POLYTRACK form does NOT automatically transfer to the TURF.
-Lingfield is a SPEED track.
-Wraith could NOT win 2 SLOWLY run races on a SPEED TRACK.
-Yarmouth is a GALLOPING STAMINA track that had a 16 mph headwind down the straight today.
-Wraith is a stamina limited handicapper racing against unexposed horses from top Newmarket yards and conceding 17 lbs to them.
-Henry Cecil is all over the media since the Craven hence the too short prices on some of his horses at the moment.LEARN TO DO YOUR OWN ANALYSIS, EVERYTHING YOU READ IN THE RACING POST IS NOT THE TRUTH YOU KNOW.
I’VE ALREADY PUT UP TED DURCANS RECORD ON ODDS ON HORSES, ITS BETTER THAN AVERAGE.
APOLOGIES TO THE FORUM FOR SHOUTING BUT MP IS A POOR LISTENER.
LGR
To suggest Hughes didn’t ride a finish on Zamboozle is just plain inaccurate. I’ll grant you he put his stick down once the horse was clearlly beaten but he did continue to ride out. At the time I saw nothing wrong with the ride and having just watched a replay, I’d stand by that.
Not ‘plain inaccurate’, dj, simply a matter of opinion.
Zamboozle had looked like troubling the winner for much of the race but over a half a furlong out, when it was clear he wasn’t going to win, Richard Hughes gave the horse little encouragement – he was in second at the time and lost that in the final few strides.
Clearly we have different ideas of what constitutes ‘rides a finish’. We’ll have to agree to disagree.
Clearly we have different ideas of what constitutes ‘rides a finish’. We’ll have to agree to disagree.
Isn’t the problem more that they forget when they are supposed to ride a finish
i started a seperate thread on the richard hughes ride and to my eyes, he put his whip down about 80 yards out and did not push the horse out to hold second place. In his eyes, his winning chnace may have gone but his lack of effort undoubtedly cost him second place
I’ve just watched the race three times and can’t believe you find Hughes’s effort satisfactory, dj, can’t believe it at all. But there you go…
Having read the opening I decided to take alook at the race. To be honest I was expecting to see Wraith being held up 10 lengths off the pace and to be given no chance by the jockey,
That of course was not the case Durcan kept him handy and gave him every chance.
Reading his form he has already been ridden both fron the front and kept handy like yesterday. On both occassions he was beaten through lack of pace.
Quite frankly if Lester himself had ridden him in any fashion you care to mention he wouldn’t have one. Wraith is simply not a good horse and that seems to have been overlooked by the writer.
As far as the Jockey’s ride is concerned I have no worries about him. He settled the horse beautifully, did everything he should have, had a lovely possie and kept well within striking distance. Had Wraith been good enough he would have won, quite simply he wasn’t.
I’ve watched the race to see what the fuss is about and to be honest I’m struggling. I thought Ted Durkan had Wraith well positioned throughout the horse just found no injection of pace whatsoever. As others say he just doesn’t look very good.
Maybe front run him on soft ground where other horses speed is negated?? Step him up to 14 / 16f?? I’m guessing.
Its not going to be easy to find a race for this horse to win IMO it may need an extreme in conditions.
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