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Aidan O’Brien has been found guilty of breaching a rule of racing and fined £5000.
What a waste of time. By using his tactics to win that race he must have made the owners from winning and then stud fees in years to come countless millions of pounds plus he is already I would imagine a multi millionaire, so what is the point of a £5000 fine.
I will tell you,nothing.
Murtagh and O’Donoghue get 7 day bans big deal.
No point of having rules, that if broken the punishment is punitive.
Personally I think the investigation was more about telling Coolmore to beware in the future as opposed to punishing them for the Juddmonte.
David,
Beware of what!!!
Another paltry fine that they will laugh at.
If they threatened then with a ban then fair enough.
David,
Beware of what!!!
Another paltry fine that they will laugh at.
If they threatened then with a ban then fair enough.
Well, Im not sure what they could do beyond what they did. It might have been a bit unfair to to do anything else given the way the issue has been dealth with in the past. Its just reached a head this year because of the domination of OBrien and the large number of runners in many races.
SHL
I am still at a loss to see why we actually need a rule banning team tactics.
If an outfit wishes to run more than one runner then so be it.
If the authorities really are so keen to stop these so called team tactics then why not ban pacemakers – is running a pacemaker not a team tactic?
Provided each runner runs to its merit and to its ability. Provided no interference is caused to other riders. Provided no other rules are broken. Then what is the problem?
If the "team tactics" break any of the other rules then fine – punish them.
So if in moving from the rail to allow another team member through another horse is interfered with then punish the offending rider under one of the existing rules.
If, in moving over, no interference takes place then what is the problem?
To me too much of this hoo-hah comes about because it is Ballydoyle – once again the politics of envy rears its ugly head.
coolmore, the manchester united of horse racing.
Coolmore play in blue, actually.
That must be why Coolmore and Alex Ferguson had a falling out back along!
Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
I am still at a loss to see why we actually need a rule banning team tactics.
If an outfit wishes to run more than one runner then so be it.
If the authorities really are so keen to stop these so called team tactics then why not ban pacemakers – is running a pacemaker not a team tactic?
Provided each runner runs to its merit and to its ability. Provided no interference is caused to other riders. Provided no other rules are broken. Then what is the problem?
If the "team tactics" break any of the other rules then fine – punish them.
So if in moving from the rail to allow another team member through another horse is interfered with then punish the offending rider under one of the existing rules.
If, in moving over, no interference takes place then what is the problem?
To me too much of this hoo-hah comes about because it is Ballydoyle – once again the politics of envy rears its ugly head.
Quite the best on the subject. Well said Paul. No other runner was interfered with. There was no difference to the result. What rule was actually broken. I am at a loss to understand all the fuss.
If Colm O’Donoghue’s move had interfered with another horse then there are rules that deal with that manouvre and he should be punished accordingly, but nothing appeared to my (admittedly rather uneducated,) eye to have affected the result.
Probably the biggest offender is Murtagh for opening his mouth on the subject and I am sure that the Coolmore team have had a little sharp word him about so be assured it won’t happen again
It is the politics of envy. Would the same be happenning if Sir Michael Stoute or Godolphin were as dominant, I wonder?
Let’s stop carping on about this matter and recognise what a genius Aiden O’Brien is, and if he should get something wrong occasionally, and it is very occasionally, well he is only human after all.
You have team tactics and pacemakers in distance events in athletics so why not the same with horse racing because as far as i know the objective is to race.
Anyone who knows anything about racing will look at the card for a big race and straightaway tell you which ones are in as pacemakers.
At the end of the day Coolmore wether you like them or not is a team and they did what they had to do to win another Group 1 to enhance Dukes stud fees for when he takes up his second career of getting his end away.
Would this enquiry have been held if Johnny Murtagh hadn’t made his over-candid comments on record? No way. Did it achieve anything except to confirm the racing authority to be weak and all too willing to pander to public opinion? No. A black day in the annals of fairness in racing, I reckon.
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I am still at a loss to see why we actually need a rule banning team tactics.
If an outfit wishes to run more than one runner then so be it.
If the authorities really are so keen to stop these so called team tactics then why not ban pacemakers – is running a pacemaker not a team tactic?
Provided each runner runs to its merit and to its ability. Provided no interference is caused to other riders. Provided no other rules are broken. Then what is the problem?
If the "team tactics" break any of the other rules then fine – punish them.
So if in moving from the rail to allow another team member through another horse is interfered with then punish the offending rider under one of the existing rules.
If, in moving over, no interference takes place then what is the problem?
To me too much of this hoo-hah comes about because it is Ballydoyle – once again the politics of envy rears its ugly head.
Quite the best on the subject. Well said Paul. No other runner was interfered with. There was no difference to the result. What rule was actually broken. I am at a loss to understand all the fuss.
If Colm O’Donoghue’s move had interfered with another horse then there are rules that deal with that manouvre and he should be punished accordingly, but nothing appeared to my (admittedly rather uneducated,) eye to have affected the result.
Probably the biggest offender is Murtagh for opening his mouth on the subject and I am sure that the Coolmore team have had a little sharp word him about so be assured it won’t happen again
It is the politics of envy. Would the same be happenning if Sir Michael Stoute or Godolphin were as dominant, I wonder?
Let’s stop carping on about this matter and recognise what a genius Aiden O’Brien is, and if he should get something wrong occasionally, and it is very occasionally, well he is only human after all.
Surely, if one horse has moved out to allow another passage, then neither has run on its merits?
Carvills you are spot on , this is a black day , pandering to the bookies and a few tv pundits…..
now we know who runs racing , its not the BHA for sure
I am sad at this disgrace
Ricky
Have to say, think some of the posts on this thread are astonishing.
The fact of the matter is that O’Bs second jock pleaded guilty to employing team tactics, in case anyone missed that here it is again:
O’DONOGHUE PLEADED GUILTY
So what are the disciplinary panel supposed to do? Because it’s Coolmore with their very powerful and professional lawyers and pr consultants and their ability to move Irish government policy, should they be immune from the rules of racing in the UK?
Be interesting to read the full report of the hearing -and I stand to be corrected by that- but it appears O’B was denying that he gave tactical instructions to his jocks, they decided on their own that team tactics would be employed. Yep, pigs have wings and the earth is flat, so some would have us believe.
Certainly the Newmarket stewards – who normally hold an enquiry at the slightest suggestion of a breach of the rules- need to explain why they didn’t hold an enquiry into that race. And would the HRA have acted unless they had been bounced into it by press reports of Murtagh’s comments and a couple or so of brave journalists who raised the issue of team tactics?
Be that as it may, this is a great result for GB racing. Because it shows that multi-billionaire owners are subject to the rules of racing as much as are ordinary owners.
richard
Yeah Richard.Pigs have wings and the earthy is flat and the Irish are ………Enough said.
Surely, if one horse has moved out to allow another passage, then neither has run on its merits?
Not necessarily, if the pacemaker was tiring, had reached his distance and he moved over to make way for a fresher running on horse then both can still be said to running to their merits.
Giving way to a running on stablemate does not preclude a horse from running on on its merits.
Have to say, think some of the posts on this thread are astonishing.
The fact of the matter is that O’Bs second jock pleaded guilty to employing team tactics, in case anyone missed that here it is again:
O’DONOGHUE PLEADED GUILTY
I don’t think at any point in my posting did I say they weren’t guilty of what they were charged with.
The point of my posting is the rule under which they were charged is flawed and unnecessary.
Clearly from your response you seem to have some axe to grind against Coolmore. From my perspective I couldn’t care less if it was Coolmore or some smaller outfit who adopted the team tactics – my argument is still the same, there are other rules already in place to cover cases where “team tactics” cause interference.
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