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srusling wrote:
Galileo has had great start to his stud career but the fact he failed at stud in Australia means he can never be compared to Northern Dancer.
Is the South African champion Igugu the only G1 winner that Galileo sired in Australia? Does anyone know what’s happened to the colt he sired ex Makybe Diva? Bred for far too much stamina, but I seem to remember reading somewhere the colt had made a good start to his racing career.
Re Sadler’s Wells: sire of El Prado who was champion sire in US some years back and who I think sired Medaglio d’Oro, who is a very successful young American sire.
Of the three, obviously by today’s reckoning Northern Dancer is the greatest. But in another 20 years or so, who knows?
El Prado had fertility issues during the latter part of his stud career, leading to his being pensioned at age 19. His legacy at stud remains to be seen. MdO is off to a great start, although 12 of his 15 highest earning offspring are fillies. Kitten’s Joy has done well too.
Other Sadler’s Wells sons haven’t fared so well in North America:
Powerscourt was a dud and sent to Turkey last year.
Northern Spur was relegated to New York and is mainly used for hunters and eventers.
Sligo Bay is doing well in the regional Canadian market. His only "star" is the gelding Bourbon Bay, the first horse in 17 years to sweep the Santa Anita Turf Marathon Series.
Austin Powers is standing forfree
in Pennsylvania.
Desert Secret, Royal Regatta and Persian Turban are in California for a private fee.
Serious Business was sent to Saskatchewan, Canada.
Wayne County is a so-so sire in Maryland.I understand that horses must be specially bred to run on the US dirt surface.Whereas the rest of the world runs on grass.If true then the failure of Sablers Wells,standing in Tipperary,to get winners on dirt is understandable.Not many US mares are traveling to Ireland to get the Galileo blood either.Yesterday the King George winner added to the Galileo list of Group One winners.
If Northern Dancer had stayed in Canada would he have become the success he was?I doubt it.Had Sadlers Wells been moved to Kentucky he might have outshone the great ND.Incidentally if Glileo moved to Australia now I bet the mares he would get would easily outrank his first batch there.It takes quite a few years to earn your keep.
I don’t think Galileo would fair any better in Australia now even with a better crop of mares. The reason being, that like most sadlers wells line stallions, the majority of his progeny need some cut in the ground to be effective and in Australia that sort of ground is not common. Only really in europe is it common, hence his success in europe. His stats, especially this season, have been amazing and I think he is a great stallion for that part of that would but only that part of the world. It is for that reason alone that he his not in the same league as the likes of Northern Dancer, Mr Prospector, Danzig and Danehill. Noting that Northern Dancer is responsible for Danzig and likewise Danehill
Just from looking at Danehill’s success can you imagin what ND would have done had he been at Coolmore?Trouble is Coolmore grew out of SW’s success.Was Northern Dancer too small to be a stud?Incidentally SWs had a very successfull son who stood in the US.I believe he got lots of dirt winners.
-El Prado (SW’s only successful son in the US) sired mostly turf horses.
-In Northern Dancer’s era 40 mares per season was the norm. SW and Galileo got/get more than twice that number.
-In his first Canadian crop (foaled 1965), ND had 16 winners from 18 starters, 10 stakes winners, and 3 Canadian champions. He was so well-known that Kentucky mares would ship north for him. Were he to stay in Canada, he likely would have had similar success. He was moved to Maryland in 1968, and stayed there the rest of his life.
-The Dancer was 15.2, small enough to require a "pitcher’s mound" to get on the larger mares in the shed.
He didn’t pass on his small size to his offspring, though.A stallion’s height has no bearing on whether he’s likely to be a hit at stud or not.
Hyperion and his grandson, Star Kingdom, were both small horses, yet were two of the greatest stallions of the last century.
More recently, the tiny Rahy has been a tremendous success.
Thanks for the answer on the studs height. How about the size of the mare? Does it make any difference to the size of the foal?Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
No horse will ever bee as great as sire as HYPERION who will be remebered as the greatest sire across the world. But of the last 40 odd year and those theree its hard to say as Galileo is still alive. But I’d go for Saddlers Wells for classic success and powerful colts.
No horse will ever bee as great as sire as HYPERION who will be remebered as the greatest sire across the world. But of the last 40 odd year and those theree its hard to say as Galileo is still alive. But I’d go for Saddlers Wells for classic success and powerful colts.
Amen..
Hyperion did it at a time when books were a fraction of what they are now, and as a result there was greater competition for the best mares.
The Tetrarch could have been another of the greats had it not been for fertility problems.
Nearco and Ribot also greats, and the products of Sgnr Tesio, a man of vision unlike most breeders of today who just follow the current hype.
Northern Dancer was clearly the greatest of the three above, as he did it the hard way.
Well, we could even go up to St Simon, up to Eclipse I guess. Unanswerable question really, but worth a debate.
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Unanswerable indeed. But my hunch is, that of all these immortals
St Simon
would shade it. His influence has been (and therefore still is) well nigh incalculable on European racing. 100 or so on I doubt there’s a horse in training who can’t trace at least one line back to him.
He didn’t pass on his small size to his offspring, though.
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