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“Are they licensed individuals?”
I am not sure. I believe to participate in the race the riders needed either an amateur licence or (as it was a charity race) to have passed a competency assessment. I do not know what that involved but presumably it was to satisfy the authorities that the rider was safe to ride.
Even if the jockeys were possibly unlicensed, all the trainers in the race are licensed. Some of the most prominent trainers in Ireland had runners in the race. Do they really want their names associated with it?
It looks like the racing media wants to pretend this never happened. As far as I am aware, there is no report in the “Racing Post” and only one national title has mentioned it. If I was a journalist, I would have been embarrassed to submit that article to Irish Racing that I linked to earlier.
The “Daily Mirror” has picked up the story now.
Jockey Robbie Dolan says the criticism is unfair and Moore will be “devastated”.
The article contains a picture of Moore looking devastated after the race.
Robbie Dolan , the singing jockey . Appeared on The Voice in OZ .
My gut feeling is when he Xd or tweeted that he had not seen the photos or the other background on the race . He cannot have surely as if he had he looks foolish .
He will know full well you do that in OZ you are on sidelines for months .It’s pretty simple, tbh – the existence of a betting market changes everything.
Say TRF sponsored a race at a track and organised a forumites’s charity mascot race after racing and the bookies bet on it.
Then one forumite appears to ease up when in front, this lets another forumite win and the beneficiary turns out to have been a steamer in the market.
All concerned would be ripped to bits on social media and understandably so.
Licenced or not, charity event or not, horse race or not, the betting patterns and denouement would have some crying “fraud!” and calling for a police investigatiom and charges to be brought.
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I can see Nathan up his ladder right now drawing up a list of runners and riders.
I’ll sort out the tricast based on non runners.
The Captain will be supplemented after talking to the team.
Ginger will be there too if there is any value. ( a quarter the odds each way if there is over 16).Those excuses are weak at best. I particularly liked the bit about lying to people’s faces.
Plus of course ‘it’s for charity etc etc’. Ah, so that’s alright then.
The jockeys in question are described in their RP profiles as having an amateur licence. Whether or not that means anything could be done I don’t know.
Be interesting if and when the next race takes place if there is betting on it, if not that will speak volumes.
The more I know the less I understand.
‘Don’t say that nobody loves ya ‘
but…
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I think hanging might be a rather extreme punishment, instead community service for a five year period would be sufficient to let the affected punters at least sleep at night.
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Isn’t there a prize for winning all three races?
That is the odd thing about it.
He would have been on a hat trick.
The things you do for love.
( like walking in the rain and the snow…)
I’m sure they can all sort this out. It was a stunt which the participants did not realise would get as much attention that it did.
They will get lots of stick over it,but the abuse and anger is mostly self righteous indignation that anyone could take it upon themselves to circumvent a system that is at best already broken.
That mere amateurs could do something that happens almost every day in Irish racing (and in British racing too for that matter) but is carried out by the professionals. The top guys and girls are a just a little bit more subtle the way they operate doing their dirty work covertly but in reality just as brazenly. I’d say by doing it so openly they have opened a can of worms which spoke and it said if they can get away with it why can’t we?
The reaction was essentially “How very dare they?! Only the professionals should cheat”.
The difference between their misdeeds and those perpetrated by so many others, is it was blatant to the point of naivety, nay stupidity. Even the stewards it seems couldn’t keep a straight face and so they choose to simply ignore it.
The massive difference between what they did and the big boys? They didn’t harm their horses to achieve their aim. They didn’t injure the horses or dope them.
They fooled the bookies and the layers and the 101 junkies and initially everyone and had it been just a charity race and not the lucky last no one would really have minded if he’d given up his win for the damsel in need of a first winner, it would have been quite noble! But it did matter, because as the slogan goes “it matters more when there’s money on it.”
Don’t get me wrong here, they are not angels, merely angels with mucky faces because if these people have to be put to rights then the real villains will have to be held accountable too, if you want your dirty washing out you have to empty the basket, Irish racing.My fear for the two miscreants is that this all gets out of hand.
The trial by social media with even an Aussie giving us the benefit of his “wisdom “ has become a witch-hunt and the clamour for victims which mob rule always demands, gets louder and louder to the point it becomes difficult to separate goodies from baddies here. Just picture the life of Brian and the stoning scene and you’ll get my drift!
There is an end game, and I don’t like it guys.I do hope they make a statement together acknowledging what actually happened, accept a ban and redirect some of the monies gained, to the charity in question or that of their choice and move on.
There will be a play or maybe even a short movie about the episode at next year’s Edinburgh festival!!
I’ve already forgiven them because worse things go on in racing than this, and indeed, worse things happen at sea.
And, as it’s my birthday this week, Sporting Sam forgives them, and jointly grants them one of five pardons I’ll be issuing before the month is out.Any charity race needs coverage and publicity.
Banning official betting on any horse race covered by RacingTV or just run at a racecourse, would encourage illegal betting… And then – when no evidence of suspicious betting patterns and “paper trails” of where any wagers come from are unavailable – it probably makes the likelihood of corruption even greater.For this reason I doubt any racecourse is allowed to run any race without official betting on it.
Value Is Everything“Ginger will be there too if there is any value”.
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Oh no no no no no no.
There is no value in charity races of any kind because they are a law unto themselves.Value Is EverythingI caught up with the Talking Points from Luck on Sunday earlier today. Despite this “race” being one of the main issues of the week, it was not mentioned. I do not know if it was mentioned in the rest of the show or on any of Luck’s podcasts in the days afterwards.
Further evidence that racing looks like it is doing its best to pretend this embarrassment never happened.
Runs in the “charity race” that concludes the meeting at Leopardstown today. Best priced 10/11.
Are we all lumping on?
I might be missing something but the race just run shows in his RP formline but the other race when the jockey messed up is not ,same with Fair Damsel. I’ve looked a couple of times so Iam sure it’s not there .
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