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“It is not on for a jockey….”
But is he even a “jockey” in the accepted sense of the word, CAS?
There are lots of reasons why I don’t bet in a lot of races.
Integrity concerns is chief among them, but there are other factors.
In this instance sheer “competence.”
This was a charity race and yet there is this misapprehension among many punters that any race at any race track which is staged and has a betting market will contain riders of a minimum level of competence.
I’ve known for many years this is simply untrue.
You cannot depend on any such race to have competent riders any more than you can depend on every runner in any Class 6 Handicap to be in the race to try to win it.
It’s yet another lousy betting product for punters, but if punters choose to keep purchasing these lousy betting products – by having a bet on them – whose responsibility is it when these things happen?
Punters need to start boycotting betting on such lousy betting product races, things won’t change until they do and tbh I can’t sympathise with anyone who bets on races containing “jockeys” they’ve never even heard of because they aren’t really “jockeys” in the accepted sense of the word.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Betting on these Mickey Mouse races shouldn’t be allowed. Sometimes they are even included in Placepots etc. It’s tricky because there are all sorts of novelty races (heavy horses, camels, football mascots etc) and people bet on these for a laugh, which is fine as stakes are low and it’s just a bit of fun. If amateur races were treated in the same way it wouldn’t be a problem but they are presented as proper racing (and certainly involve actual racehorses) so people imagine there is a certain level of competence and honesty.
I think it is fair to say this may have something to do with someone’s new career.
The jockey leading on the home turn appeared to hold an unassailable lead and appeared to stop riding after looking around to see a well backed runner approaching up the rail,starting to ride again as the winner went past.
a decision on his actions is the job of the stewards. He might be on a lengthy holiday were he an actual jockey and the stewards were to decide anything untoward had actually happened.The betting patterns were that the winner was backed from 20/1 into 9/1 early doors and went off at 17/2. A check of the audit trail of bets can be carried out by the authorities. A check of a certain tipping company’s activities might yield more answers as might a cursory browse/check of certain individual’s social media.
To be fair we could all listen to uncle Ian and we would all be safe in our beds by 9:15.
Alternatively, you could take advantage of the betting patterns actually available to peruse in many “independent“ places.According to the unreliable source of YouTube the jockey of the second is the boyfriend of the winner
And watching it knowing that kind of makes me think he let her win on purpose and he forgot even though it was a charity race people were betting on it but maybe im being cynical
The more I watch the YouTube short the more deliberate it looks
He looked over his shoulder 3 times and there was no panic in his riding
I’m pretty sure it was deliberate
Normally you have to be careful what you say for legal reasons. There is no need to on this occasion. As I said earlier a few cursory clicks on a computer will give you all the info you need.
Claims made by the jockey beforehand. Social media. Betting patterns. After race photos of the couple celebrating afterwards, But the best evidence is the race itself. My only thought is it is a low level charity race a bit of fun and the jockeys did not realise it was going to be filmed like a normal race on the card with full commentary. Hopefully a very large donation will be made to the injured jockeys fund and the named charity of the race. Hopefully none of the participants in this FIXED RACE have benefited financially.
Hopefully the IHRB will disqualify the first two home and anyone who did bet on the race in good faith will be refunded.
When the media get hold of this they will not be quite as kind as me in their interpretation of events. It will not take very long for this to go viral on YouTube and whatever platforms the couple use. ( if it hasn’t already).
If you go to the racing tv website there is a full interview with the winning jockey. Winning the race was a great moment clearly. But it is clear what has happened and I do hope the s***storm which is going to come does not get out of hand, because this race is what it is low level and a bit of fun. “No horses were harmed in the making of this film”. In comparison to the regular events where the professionals drag racing through the mud daily using steroids and truly harming their horses this is very small beer. The daft thing is the eventual winner would have been second if ridden on her own merits. I fear for both jockeys and hope they come clean about this and move on as soon as possible. It looks like a bit of fun which has got out of hand because of money.
It was clear as day and the couple at this stage are the two main participants and are by their own recorded activities bang to rights.
Amended result
1st Typical Thomas 2nd Aurora Princess 3rd Sefton warrior result amended due to improper conduct all bets refunded.Typical Thomas awarded the race ? Apologies made to punters in public by all parties concerned? Or race voided and all bets refunded? All monies paid to charity by participants of this low level sting? Typically, I doubt it.
“The jockey of the second is the boyfriend of the winner”.
Wow, it keeps on getting better!
Of course, I recognise ID’s point about the jockeys. They were all genuine amateurs, not amateurs like Mullins or Codd.
If the stewards are not going to monitor these races because they are in effect novelty races with amateurs, then there should either be no betting or a clear sign in the race card and on bookmaker websites saying it is an unofficial novelty race without stewards. Then it is up to punters if they want to get involved.
As I said at the start, I did not have a bet. I would not have touched the race with a barge pole. But plenty of people did bet. They were mugs – but even mugs do not deserve to be blatantly cheated.
“To be fair we could all listen to uncle Ian and we would all be safe in our beds by 9:15.”
9pm, actually – 9.15pm would be a treat!
Lots of thought-provoking comment on this thread – it’s been more interesting than the actual race it’s been discussing.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“9pm, actually – 9.15pm would be a treat”
That is what us young un’s do Ian.
We push your buttons. See how far we can go!
These young uns certainly did!!For anyone who has not seen it.
Disappointed with the usually excellent Gary O’Brien interviewing the winning rider as if nothing had happened.
Thanks for that CAS I hadn’t seen it I’d imagined it but seeing it is worse.
The more I know the less I understand.
I was going to clear my account with big bet on the Challenge Whip at Newmarket this week , I don’t think I will after watching that .
That is an absolute disgrace to racing what has gone on there . The offspring of the winner will be shown in any catalogue as out of winning mare , that in itself should have an Asterix by it .It gets worse with each viewing, especially as more details emerge.
The charity race argument is no defence. I assume this race was included in the race card. It was shown live on Racing TV. Bookmakers took bets on the race. For all intents and purposes, it was presented as a normal race.
It looks as though the outcome of the race was fixed. The Irish authorities and the Irish media cannot then in effect say “Serves the punters right for betting on the race – it was for charity!” That is tantamount to victim blaming.
The whole race stank. If any connections of the winner have financially gained, they ought to be ashamed.
The prize money is not relevant. The winner was backed from 20/1 into 17/2. OK, it probably did not take a lot of money to shift the price in that sort of race but I assume a decent sized bet or two went in.
The young woman who rode the winner appeared to be very confident her horse would run a big race when she was interviewed on “Luck On Sunday”. And the jockey on the second placed horse runs a tipping line.
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry!
This is all the Irish Racing site has to say about it.
https://www.irishracing.com/news/Dempsey-takes-dramatic-second-leg-of-Corinthian-Challenge/242829
I particularly liked the quote from the winning rider “I think there was some punting going on. It must of all worked and gave me a bit of luck.”
Terrible ride
But what can they do?
The jockey will say they thought the race was won an eased down.. Not going to be put in jail.
Its like all of us that put a selection up on here, we are not professional gamblers.
Its only Gingertipster that needs crucifying when picking a loser
What can punters do?
Avoid betting on crap racing,Someone up the bookies the other month was going crazy over a football friendly when a team threw away a 2 goal lead. Something about making too many substitutions..
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