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  • #946
    doyley
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    Hello,

    I know I may be declared Mad…but do you think the connections of Newmill would consider running the horse in The Champion Hurdle AND The Champion Chase ??

    I honestly cannot foresee any reason why a horse of his ability cannot run 4 miles within 2 x days.

    His last Hurdle victory was very, very impressive. Why not go for the C/H, keep the C/Chase entry and see what comes about Tuesday Night/Wednesday morning.

    My "idea" can be quashed if there are regulations about this venture, but I don’t think there are.

    I could see Newmill easily getting placed, if not win, the Hurdle, acquiring some excellent prize money, then if OK going for the C/Chase.

    There is precedent in the last few years where horses have gone for two races at the Festival, but usually hurdlers and more than 1 day apart. I am sure one won them both!!

    Note, I am not one to stretch a horse to breaking point, but I do belive my suggestion is, "do-able" :)

    (Edited by doyley at 7:34 pm on Mar. 1, 2007)

    regards,

    doyley

    #42395
    Venusian
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    He’s a good horse, but no Flyingbolt!

    #42396
    DeadlySins
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    Always an option to keep 2 entries open right up to raceday but it has to be close to impossible to get a horse to run with merit in 2 championship races in 2 days. Its quite possible you could ruin a horse long term should it pick up an injury too. Picking one I’d run him in the QM.

    #42397
    Wayward Lad
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    Doyley have you lost it…….it takes weeks, ages to get over and grade 1, do you really think his that class to win one race in a canter, then just ok bring on the next one, I dont think so, i really do not think a champion hurdle is going to be a walk over do you????

    #42398
    doyley
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    Hello,

    I respect your opinion DS, but is it really "Impossible" to run in two races’ in two days??

    OK, the races’ are top drawer and no way  would I suggest anything to harm a horse, but these animals are hardy beasts, well fed and kept.<br>In the past, horses have been asked to carry out enormous tasks in comparison to today’s cossetted racehorse fraternity, and they did  so quite successfully…farms, pulling, cavalry etc.

    I know I am not comparing like with like, comparing work/military animals to racehorses, nor am I advocating returning to the bad old days’ of animal cruelty,  but I am trying to make the point the equine community are a very hardy bunch and can offer a hell of a lot more than we think.<br>

    regards,

    doyley

    #42399
    Alderbrook
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    Not impossible but why risk the Champion Chase against what may be one top class opponent just for a possibility of place money in the Champion Hurdle?

    #42400
    davidjohnson
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    Clearly it’s possible to run in both races. Trouble is, he doesn’t have the form to finish in the first four in the Champion Hurdle. Why risk taking the edge of him whn they have excellent chances of neing placed in the Champion Chase.

    #42401
    Alderbrook
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    Stop nicking my points DJ.  :biggrin:

    #42402
    Mounty
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    How about Detroit City for the World Hurdle? He’s 300 on Betfair at the moment – if he unseats at the first flight on Tuesday he’ll be a 5-4 shot ;)

    #42403
    Anonymous
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    Couldn’t agree ore with Alderborrk and DJ.

    If the races were the other way round it could be considered (if not really pratical).

    His main aim is the Queen Mother and defending his title. Why would he jeparrdize that by having the kicthen sink thrown at him the day before to finish 5 lenths beheind the winner of the CH and potentially pick up prize money for 4th??

    If it was the other way around and say Well Chief fell at the festival and he cruised to victory, it would open it as a possibility to then run in the CH. But alas it is not and is never going to happen.

    Is Detroit City even entered in the World Hurdle?? If so, I have chucked away worst £5 then to chuck it on him in case he did fall early in the CH…

    #42404
    tiger
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    what about hardy eustace for world hurdle? surely he would walk it,provided detroit city doesn’t show up aswell!

    #42405
    DannyDanny
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    Why doesn’t newmill run in the Gold Cup he’d have a better chance in that than the champion hurdle

    #42406
    davidbrady
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    Quote: from Danny on 3:27 pm on Mar. 4, 2007[br]Why doesn’t newmill run in the Gold Cup he’d have a better chance in that than the champion hurdle

    Funny you should say that Danny.

    In an interview with John Joseph Muphy in today’s Sunday Independent, the trainer is quoted:

    "The Gold Cup is my plan and I definitely want to up him in distance next year. He’s won impressively over 2½ miles on a number of occasions. He’s very versatile and he’s so genuine that you could have him jumping hurdles one week and fences the next. He’s a rare beast. Who would stay with him over three miles the pace he goes?* He has The Dikler in his pedigree. There are more opportunities at three miles as well."

    Regarding the Red Mills Hurdle defeat of Macs Joy and Harchibald, he states:

    "The ground (officially heavy) wasn’t as bad as people were saying. There was a gorgeous cut of grass and it was proper soft ground."

    * referring to a previous part of the article where Newmill is noted as the fastest horse in the yard, "even faster than the flat horses" and also his "extraordinary cruising speed"

    #42407
    Anonymous
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    Well he is not in he beting yet – but below is the Bet365 Gold Cup 2008 betting.   I reckon he would slot into that list at 20/1 if you asked for a price…

    <br> Kauto Star 7/2 <br> War Of Attrition 10 <br> Denman 14 <br> Exotic Dancer 14 <br> In Compliance 16 <br> My Way de Solzen 16 <br> Cailin Alainn 20 <br> Kicking King 20 <br> State of Play 20 <br> The Listener 20 <br> Trabolgan 20 <br> Don’t Push It 25 <br> Far From Trouble 33 <br> Gungadu 33 <br> Patsy Hall 33 <br> Ungaro 33 <br> Dom d’Orgeval 40 <br> Monet’s Garden 40 <br> New Little Bric 40 <br> Flight Leader 50 <br> Forget The Past 50 <br> Mr Pointment 50 <br> Our Vic 50 <br> Racing Demon 50 <br> Halcon Genelardais 66 <br> Hedgehunter 66 <br>Place terms   3<br>1/4 <br>

    #42408
    SirHarryLewisSirHarryLewis
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    Quote: from davidbrady on 6:38 pm on Mar. 4, 2007[br]

    Quote: from Danny on 3:27 pm on Mar. 4, 2007[br]Why doesn’t newmill run in the Gold Cup he’d have a better chance in that than the champion hurdle

    Funny you should say that Danny.

    In an interview with John Joseph Muphy in today’s Sunday Independent, the trainer is quoted:

    "The Gold Cup is my plan and I definitely want to up him in distance next year. He’s won impressively over 2½ miles on a number of occasions. He’s very versatile and he’s so genuine that you could have him jumping hurdles one week and fences the next. He’s a rare beast. Who would stay with him over three miles the pace he goes?* He has The Dikler in his pedigree. There are more opportunities at three miles as well."

    Regarding the Red Mills Hurdle defeat of Macs Joy and Harchibald, he states:

    "The ground (officially heavy) wasn’t as bad as people were saying. There was a gorgeous cut of grass and it was proper soft ground."

    * referring to a previous part of the article where Newmill is noted as the fastest horse in the yard, "even faster than the flat horses" and also his "extraordinary cruising speed" <br>

    Im 99 percent certain he wouldnt get home in the gold cup.

    Interesting stuff also about Asian Maze in the weekends Sunday Indo also.  Ruby doesnt think she stays three miles.

    SHL

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