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You’ll have to be careful, insomniac, that a spook outfit doesn’t nobble you to use you for ‘remote viewing’, as I believe they call it. I’ve believe they’ve looked into it in the past, but I doubt if it can be done on demand. I wonder.
I had doubts about that so-called ‘astral travel’, until I watched that YouTube video of the former voodoo lad, who had been the son of a voodoo high-priest. But his body-language was convincing throughout. He looked very emotional while relating his experiences, especially when he kept putting his hand to his mouth.
Grimes,
Do you think your God wants you to spend all this time looking for NDE videos to put on a horse racing web site?I have no doubt you will have an NDE experience (if you haven’t already) because you want to/expect to/are convinced they’re reality. Imagination is a wonderful thing.
If the story of Jesus happened today, nobody of reasonable intelligence would believe it…
Unless of course, their minds had been conditioned to believe it.Value Is EverythingI think you’re ‘kicking against the goad’, Ginge. Your conscience is troubling you so much, it drives you nuts to see this thread (in the lounge, not the racing section), but you can’t resist looking and sniping. I know, I was the same as a youngster – much nastier than you, as adolescents are generally wont to be.
If you really believed the truth of your hectoring, you’d be completely indifferent to religious talk. In point of fact, a study has revealed that atheists are much more angry at God than believers! Anyway, Here’s a little something to get your bonce round:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150527103110.htm
I think you’re ‘kicking against the goad’, Ginge. Your conscience is troubling you so much, it drives you nuts to see this thread (in the lounge, not the racing section), but you can’t resist looking and sniping. I know, I was the same as a youngster – much nastier than you, as adolescents are generally wont to be.
If you really believed the truth of your hectoring, you’d be completely indifferent to religious talk. In point of fact, a study has revealed that atheists are much more angry at God than believers!
My conscience is clear Grimes and am no “youngster”.
It is impossible for me to be angry at God, because it can never be the fault of something non-existent.
Think you’re confusing athiests being “angry at God” with us being angry at believers using their so called “God” as an excuse to do bad things.Value Is EverythingAll come out in the wash, Ginge, as Alexei Sayle would say.
Here’s another ‘goodie’, folks. A modest manner, but a bit of a wild character in the past by the sound of it:
This man is absolutely hilarious as he explains his conversion via a kind of near death experience. A friend of his was worried about the extent of his drug-taking, so persuaded him to go with him to gamble in Las Vegas casinos! Take his mind off the drugs!
Specially for you and Baley, Ginge, here is an amusing but compelling article :
Another NDE video one, this time by a Vietnam vet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiSFd4Vs8mU
PS: The Americans are a strange people. I often slag off their government, as I do ours, but it occurred to me today that, although the US seems to be such a madhouse, they are actually a strong people. Just to reach adulthood in that society seems an achievement, but for all the stresses they have been habitually subject to, they are durable – the old thang about if it not killing you, it making you stronger, I suppose – sociable and full of elan. And as for their slang expressions, the metaphors possibly even shade those of Londoners and Aussies; though many, definitely to be eschewed in polite society.
Specially for you and Baley, Ginge, here is an amusing but compelling article :
I don’t find it amusing or compelling Grimes, it’s for the gullible.
All the killing, rape, death, diseases, poverty etc that go on in this World; and people still want to believe they’re so important that “God” will and (they believe does) answer their trivial prayers.
Give God a break – he’s got too much to do – pray to someone else; anyone – The Pope, Richard Dawkins, Elvis Presley, David Beckham, Katie Price, Margaret Thatcher, Beatrix Potter… doesn’t matter who. Long odds-on you’ll find whoever you choose – the same percentage of your prayers will be “answered” as happened when you were praying to God.
Value Is EverythingCarlin was brilliant on US politics and neo-liberal capitalism. Pity about his blindness on the subject of religion.
Formal religion, anyway. I know nothing about his private life, but I like to think he might have been religious in an informal sense, more closely allied to the Second Commandment. May his soul rest in peace. Yours, too, one day, Ginge. But I don’t know how you can watch any of these NDE videos and not gain a belief in an awesomely loving God and the after-life, whether in his company or not, depending on your own choice, initially in the here and now.
As regards your video-clip, I wouldn’t knowingly watch a second of what would surely be volubly blasphemous tirades.
Yours, too, one day, Ginge. But I don’t know how you can watch any of these NDE videos and not gain a belief in an awesomely loving God and the after-life, whether in his company or not, depending on your own choice, initially in the here and now.
Jesus stated, “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation” (Mark 3:28-29). Since only one sin is unforgivable and that sin is not murder; yes, it is possible for a murderer to be forgiven.
So if a murderer owns up to his sin he goes to heaven.
I go through all my life doing what I believe is the right thing, no matter if in my interests or not. I will never ask forgiveness because it is up to me and my conscience at the time. Following all the Commandments that do not relate to God himself. My only sin is to blaspheme, not believing in God or “Holy Spirit” throughout my life – and yet for this (if he exists) he’ll send me to hell…
…But despite that; I am told by religeous people “God loves me”. :lol:
Does that sound like a God that “loves me” to you Grimes?
We are taught (and I agree) we should “forgive those who trespass against us”. Does God? God will forgive a murderer, but won’t forgive me for not believing in him.
Which sin do you think is worse?
Come on, your God will want a truthful answer; does that really sound like “an awesomely loving God”?Value Is EverythingI bought myself a signed copy of the holy bible ginge, so that proves it.
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Well, Ginge, in a way, you are right, but more significantly, wrong. Your problem is, and it is a problem for you, as it is obvious you harbour a certain rancor towards God and the Christian faith. There are innumerable people at least of my septuagenarian generation who, though imbued from an early age with Christian values, never took to a formal church-going belief in Christianity and soon lapsed into agnosticism, who nevertheless exemplify the best features of Christianity to a sometimes striking degree. However, they are unlikely I suspect to consider themselves as lily-white, conscience-wise, as you seem to.
Nevertheless, as a raging agnostic, lapsed Catholic adolescent I know exactly what you mean by being master of your own morality, etc. Even more nevertheless (!), it is a big mistake and curiously foolish. Jesus himself said that the whole of the law and the prophets hung upon the first two commandments. The Apostle Paul said : ‘Love is the fullness of the law.’
Hence, the whole purpose of organised religion is to serve, to enlarge, to purify our capacity for love, for a selfless love, a self-sacrificing love, the virtue often called charity. However, far from condemning the Christian to a life of misery, for all the trials he/he and the rest f mankind must face in this life, if he is not joyful, but gloomy, then there is something sadly amiss with his faith. Padre Pio, now St Pio, heard confessions 14 hours a day.
Below are two links to brilliant and fascinating articles indicating how Francis is returning the Church to its original Gospel priority of love over a brutal legalism. They both address the issues of remarried divorcees and couples living together : how the church needs to relinquish its whole focus on abstract precepts, such as ‘intrinsically evil acts’, in favour of trying to understand the plight of people who are ‘up against it’ in a hard and cruel world, and responding with the same love and understanding Jesus showed, to the woman caught in adultery and the Samaritan woman at the well. We are all sinners in need of daily conversion, and it is the respectable, monied people who say what’s what spiritually, while we know from the Beatitudes and Sermon on the Mount that that would be the exception, rather than the rule. The truth of the matter, indeed, is that even throughout most of the Old Testament, the rich man is spoken of in apposition to the wicked man, the deceitful man, the fraudulent man, the violent man, the oppressor, the clenched fist ; and the poor man, as in Mary;s Magnificat, with the virtuous man, the true Israel.
And here’s a nice wee miracle performed by Padre Pio on a previously blind girl without pupils in here eyes – before or after she gained eyesight :
http://thepathlesstaken7.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/the-most-amazing-case-of-padre-pios.html
A cheeky post if ever I saw one, Marko! Bearing in mind the saying, ‘You can lead a horse to the water…’ I’ll be brief.
You have a choice : Obey God or not. The choice is yours. There is enough evidence of God’s goodness in the world, as well as in Scripture, as well, to prioritize that as your focus, in teeth of all the wickedness and cruelty here.
But despite your maunderings, he is not a narcissistic martinet, as admittedly my church has tended to portray him in the past, though Pope Francis is trying to change its attitude to one of respect for the laity and an understanding that the ‘bottom line’ will always be the practical, selfless love we show to our fellow human beings in their need. The Last Judgment, Matthew 25. It was prefigured, as Jesus pointed out by such references to its sovereign importance in the Old Testament, as this in Matthew 9:13 :
“But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.'” Not that he doesn’t want us formal Christians to try our best to be perfect. It’s the commitment of faith/love that he desires of us ; building a relationship, a wonderful family, with Him through our prayers’, since out goal is heaven, entailing being grafted into his own Mystical Body, into his own divine family, the Holy Trinity, itself, although, necessarily by adoption.
It seems to me, given the context of Jesus’ teachings elsewhere, that he was being sarcastic in his reference to the virtuous. We all have to be reconverted every day. Incorrigible wrong ‘uns, until he fills with his divine grace as members of his family.
But here’s the thing. We won’t be judged on what we believe with our heads but of what we choose to believe with ou hearts. There is ample evidence, today, for those of good will, not merely of a personal God, but also of the historical Jesus.
Oh dear Grimes you exhibit all the classical signs of someone frightened to accept that there’s no life after death. You eulogise the fawning, craving, beholden attitude of pre-science humans in believing in the supernatural. You can’t answer why such a wonderful god countenanced say, Aberfan or Dunblane or countless other episodes of human misery when the simple answer is that if there is a creator it doesn’t give a toss about what goes on down here, how you practice sex or whether you eat meat on a Friday. Please read Spinoza (born nearly 400 years ago yet stillmore enlightened than most nowadays) or, at the very least go to youtube and listen to a Richard Dawkins lecture.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkyp3KruUgw&ebc=ANyPxKpUC-WhR0CZ6ZEp9QYtujsO_7Isd7n0MYyy1Q5XSfMznoBuvntwJE0O8nfAd4rShf0_zkyduDj9VT5DFm6_q7_7fHgr1w)
The effect of oxygen deprivation on the brain and how it triggers feelings of euphoria etc. is well documented and NDE’s seem to be proof of a chemical process rather than the supernatural. (Find me an NDE that doesn’t reproduce messages/images already stored in a person’s brain!) The influence of powerful figures (e.g. Padre Pio) on cementing imaginary beliefs in largely uneducated, rural and religious (ie gullible) people is another well known psychological human trait (how many in Salem swore blind their neighbours were in league with the devil – do you believe them?). Just be grateful you exist, don’t fall for the superstitions humans grasped at in the past through ignorance, fear and fear of the unknown (ie death). Shake off the chains of ignorance and superstition indoctrinated when you were at your most gullible – as a child. Listen to Bach now, ‘cos you sure as heck aint going to listen to anything at all once dead.My! What a lucky guy I am. All that wisdom and for nowt. And from a guy who can’t even sleep at nicht – so much time to ponder the imponderable ; and looks up to Dawkins as his guru, when most atheists now find him an embarrassment.
Was it GBS who said : ‘Show me a happy man, and I’ll show you a fool ? Well, I’ll take being a fool for Christ’s sake and happiness in this life, too, over the misery and confusion of those who think our brains are just a lump of meat. They think we’re purely material, programmed automatons without free will, and don’t see that it undermines their own claims even to be able to argue intelligently, never mind act so.
Here are summaries of the latest scientific findings concerning the true nature of the Sudarium of Oviedo and the Holy Shroud of Turin :
https://www.shroud.com/guscin.htm#tophttp://www.newgeology.us/presentation24.html
Which sin do you think is worse?
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