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I like watching personal accounts of NDEs on YouTube, of which there are many. However, the other day, in the second instalment of one of them, an advertisement suddenly started blaring out very loudly. And I strongly suspect it was the work of a decidedly disaffected member of Ginge’s atheist brethren on YouTube!
However, tonight, something like that elementary piano- practice tune, Chop-Sticks, I think they call it – suddenly started drowning out what the person was saying. So, I switched to another personal account of an NDE, and blow me down, if it didn’t start up again, during this one.
But here’s the strangest thing of all, for a minute or so after I had left the NDE sites and TURNED OFF THE SOUND, I could still hear it very faintly being played, and even the voice of the NDE man, it had been all but drowning out! How could that be possible, assuming it came through the speakers. Or anywhere else for that matter.
I expect you’ll say I’m barmy, but that’s not news. Hi, Ginge!
Happens to me a lot.
I think it’s probably a voice from the other side. Either that or another video/advert has kicked off unnoticed on another browser I’ve got open.
I’ve had police and emergency-services messages on TV and radio, but I don’t think it was from the ‘other side’! On the other hand I was playing that old classic, Sea of Heartbreak by Don Gibson, so maybe it was the Missus! It hadn’t occurred to me. God does have a sense of humour.
That’s one for Ginge’s archives!
I like watching personal accounts of NDEs on YouTube, of which there are many. However, the other day, in the second instalment of one of them, an advertisement suddenly started blaring out very loudly. And I strongly suspect it was the work of a decidedly disaffected member of Ginge’s atheist brethren on YouTube!
However, tonight, something like that elementary piano- practice tune, Chop-Sticks, I think they call it – suddenly started drowning out what the person was saying. So, I switched to another personal account of an NDE, and blow me down, if it didn’t start up again, during this one.
But here’s the strangest thing of all, for a minute or so after I had left the NDE sites and TURNED OFF THE SOUND, I could still hear it very faintly being played, and even the voice of the NDE man, it had been all but drowning out! How could that be possible, assuming it came through the speakers. Or anywhere else for that matter.
I expect you’ll say I’m barmy, but that’s not news. Hi, Ginge!
Nice one Grimes.
The same thing drowning it out again is called "coincidence" Grimes… Either that or someone is deliberitely interfering with You Tube clips, because they know people like you (and all interested in NDE’s) will think "that’s wierd, must be proof of God.
Woaoooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! 
It is possible to take someone else’s clip, alter it and put it out as your own. Do the same to two clips of the same subject and… Glad you were fooled Grimes. Tee Hee! It worked!As for hearing the thing "faintly being played" when turning it off – it’s imagination. If you want to hear something, you’ll hear it. Or, sometimes you just can’t get a tune out of your head after hearing it earlier; whether you want to hear it or not… It’s a similar experience.
I am absolutely certain that one day you’ll have your own NDE Grimes, purely because you’ll be expecting one…
Imagination.
Value Is EverythingI sat through a Cannon & Ball show once : does that count as a near death experience.
It did to me. Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning
What about "Out Of Body Experience" Anybody had one of those, and if so what was it like.
I’ve had one, but God seems to to have been playing a joke on me. He’s wont to do that, you know.
I was staying at my uncle and aunt’s place in Woodley near Reading, and, one afternoon, thought I’d go up to my pit and lie on it, hoping, I expect asking, God to give me an out-of-body experience, but, you know, I really wasn’t expecting him to oblige; and certainly not in the way He did.
All of a sudden, whoosh! I was hurtled upwards out of my body, but there was no question of looking down and seeing things from on high, because I was so shocked at not only experiencing it, but at the suddenness of it, that I fought against it and fell swiftly back ‘doon the way’, as they say in these pairts.
God let me off the hook, Ginge. How about that! So I envy those NDEers who talk about simply finding themselves just below the ceiling, calmly looking down.
Here we are, Ginge. A little something for your delectation!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW2TLZLYgm4
There are a lot of interviews of her, and also of a neurosurgeon called Eben Alexander, who was technically dead for a week, I think.
But if you really want to learn about Christianity, listen to the YouTube clips of William Lane Craig, as he makes mince-meat of his atheist opponents in debates.
And follow the ‘Uncommon Descent’ blog, which ‘goes to town’ on the evolutionist fantasies.
Don’t be so gullible Grimes.
The woman in the You Tube clip has written a book. She’s promoting it.Value Is EverythingDon’t be so gullible Grimes.
The woman in the You Tube clip has written a book. She’s promoting it.Sure, Ginge. A senior American orthopaedic surgeon married to another orthopaedic surgeon, with their own practice, would be really hard up.
Oh, Ginge, you poor soul! Such a desperate shot…. in the teeth of the obvious truth that they could live like royalty on one of their incomes.
Don’t be so gullible Grimes.
The woman in the You Tube clip has written a book. She’s promoting it.Sure, Ginge. A senior American orthopaedic surgeon married to another orthopaedic surgeon, with their own practice, would be really hard up.
Oh, Ginge, you poor soul! Such a desperate shot…. in the teeth of the obvious truth that they could live like royalty on one of their incomes.
It’s got nothing to do with how much money they’ve got Grimes. If JK has a book out she’ll promote it. There are many you-tube videos of this woman.
Some people make these stories up, some imagine it and believe it is true.
They want to feel special, the chosen ones. Special, for God to choose them above everyone else to live.
If I had a strong belief in God, I would want to have an experience like this when I die. At time of near death the mind is not exactly working properly. Therefore, my imagination is likely to have such an experience when near death. Then; if "brought back to life"
by doctors
, I’d want to believe what I saw as the truth. Wanting to feel "Special", a "Chosen One"…
Just like you Grimes, obviously would love an experience like this when you die. Therefore you
will
imagine it. Hope for your sake Grimes you’re brought back to life by doctors, because otherwise once your dream is over there is nothing but…
death.
Value Is EverythingHere we are, Ginge. A little something for your delectation!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW2TLZLYgm4
There are a lot of interviews of her, and also of a neurosurgeon called Eben Alexander, who was technically dead for a week, I think.
But if you really want to learn about Christianity, listen to the YouTube clips of William Lane Craig, as he makes mince-meat of his atheist opponents in debates.
And follow the ‘Uncommon Descent’ blog, which ‘goes to town’ on the evolutionist fantasies.
Grimes, evolution is a fact, there is far more evidence supporting evolution then gravity. I give you the credit that you wouldn’t dispute gravity, you must be an old fashioned Christian as most religious people now accept evolution as somehow part of gods plan because they can’t dispute the facts and the overwhelming evidence for evolution. Pretty sure any well informed individual would see the irony in creationists dismissing evolution as a "fantasy".
Say I was to consume LSD or Ketamine and have an out of body heavenly experience would that count as an encounter with an intelligent creator?
Search for ‘evolution of mammalian auditory ossicles’ then attempt to call evolution a "fantasy". (There are thousands of other examples)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac33dOAgqus (we are all going to die)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8VaBCikHGs(religious hallucinations)And do you actually believe the Universe is only 6,000 years old? If you do the margin of your error is about 13,770,000,000 years, would be like me believing the distance of North America from east coast to west coast is 2 yards.
I have a huge interest in anything paranormal.
I’ve had a couple of OOBEs. The most vivid when I awoke one morning and instantly found myself floating towards the ceiling in such a way that my body felt like air. I was able to see the finest cracks in the ceiling above my bed. I then became aware that I was ‘out of my body’ and just the thought of ‘being dead’ was enough to send me back into my mundane form in a nasty jolt. It really was a strange experience.
I’ve always believed that the consciousness survives after death. Let’s face it, for life to exist, energy has to already be present. For example, take the brain. If someone is suffering from dementia it means that their memory is impaired and some brain cells are dead or damaged. This makes it harder for the mind to navigate the brain (did you know that scientists still don’t know where about in the brain the mind resides) … but then the mind exists on another level. When someone says "that person is losing his mind", I don’t buy that because it’s not the mind being lost but the brain itself for whatever reason it may be. The mind wants to navigate the brain but the dead or deceased areas won’t allow it hence why that person’s personality changes. And so I’ve always felt that when our body dies or no longer exists, the energy within us (etheric form) is released and goes to a place of higher understanding.
‘did you know that scientists still don’t know where about in the brain the mind resides).
Oh, but they do:
http://science-spirituality.blogspot.co … sciousness
Medical evidence for near death experiences: a reply to Shermer by Pim van Lommel
The empirical evidence suggests that the brain is a kind of receiver.
The second part of the initial two-parter, though the terminology gets very technical in parts, becomes very interesting from the paragraph, beginning, ‘In conclusion:’
Here we are, Ginge. A little something for your delectation!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW2TLZLYgm4
There are a lot of interviews of her, and also of a neurosurgeon called Eben Alexander, who was technically dead for a week, I think.
But if you really want to learn about Christianity, listen to the YouTube clips of William Lane Craig, as he makes mince-meat of his atheist opponents in debates.
And follow the ‘Uncommon Descent’ blog, which ‘goes to town’ on the evolutionist fantasies.
Grimes, evolution is a fact, there is far more evidence supporting evolution then gravity. I give you the credit that you wouldn’t dispute gravity, you must be an old fashioned Christian as most religious people now accept evolution as somehow part of gods plan because they can’t dispute the facts and the overwhelming evidence for evolution. Pretty sure any well informed individual would see the irony in creationists dismissing evolution as a "fantasy".
Say I was to consume LSD or Ketamine and have an out of body heavenly experience would that count as an encounter with an intelligent creator?
Search for ‘evolution of mammalian auditory ossicles’ then attempt to call evolution a "fantasy". (There are thousands of other examples)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac33dOAgqus (we are all going to die)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8VaBCikHGs(religious hallucinations)And do you actually believe the Universe is only 6,000 years old? If you do the margin of your error is about 13,770,000,000 years, would be like me believing the distance of North America from east coast to west coast is 2 yards.
‘Grimes, evolution is a fact, there is far more evidence supporting evolution then gravity. I give you the credit that you wouldn’t dispute gravity, you must be an old fashioned Christian as most religious people now accept evolution as somehow part of gods plan because they can’t dispute the facts and the overwhelming evidence for evolution. Pretty sure any well informed individual would see the irony in creationists dismissing evolution as a "fantasy".
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That has to be one of the funniest statements about gravity I’ve read on the Web, intoned in all seriousness. It’s mercilessly derided by most serious scientists and philosophers. If you read this site, Uncommon Descent, they’ll soon disabuse you.
The evidence for evolution (or rather the absence of it) is a longstanding joke. Just to cite one thing that absolutely destroys it is what they call, ‘irreducible complexity’; notably evidenced in the flagellum of a bacterium. Take one part away and it can’t work, so there’s no way it could gradually have evolved. And even they acknowledge they haven’t got a clue how life originated, anyway. They thought at one time it emerged from some kind of primordial soup of simple organic compounds, struck by a bolt of lightning. I’m not kidding. Abiogenesis. Look it up on Wiki, notoriously bent as a nine-bob watch in these matters, and you’ll see that they state it as fact, although it’s long been disproved as impossible.
Read this, jbale, and weep:
http://www.darwinspredictions.com/
But if you have the courage, listen to William Lane Craig destroy atheist debaters. He’s the ultimate, Christian theological ‘attack dog’, though he wouldn’t thank me for calling him that, as he’s always extremely polite. Also John Lennox, another professor. And by the way, Dawkins is not taken seriously as a metaphysical thinker, any more than Hawkins… who thought that the laws of nature might have created the universe! Even though ‘law’ in that context only means a regular pattern of occurrences.Do you still believe in Adam and Eve then Grimes?
Do you still believe in Father Christmas?
Do you still believe the Earth is only 10,000 years old?Value Is EverythingDo you still believe in Adam and Eve then Grimes?
Do you still believe in Father Christmas?
Do you still believe the Earth is only 10,000 years old?I do indeed believe in Adam and Eve, Ginge. I’m not too sure about Father Christmas. And the whole issue of the age of the earth seems rather weird to me, since the most exhaustively-tested and unerringly successful paradigm in physics, namely, ‘quantum mechanics’ clearly shows that, to quote Max Planck, its original discoverer:
‘As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.’
Planck was a very conservative scientist, and really didn’t like what he was discovering, but his intellectual integrity meant that he felt forced to accept it for what it is – the truth.
He also stated, in general amplification of this: ‘I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.’
I believe he is saying that we each live in a little world of our own – come into it alone and leave it alone – all of which worlds, God the creator of everything coordinates seamlessly; that is to say, at every level but the quantum level, the sub-atomic level, where the cracks are empirically evidenced.
Centuries ago, a Jewish Kabbalist sage once remarked that when a man dies, a whole world dies with him. How about that?
Woaoooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! 
It is possible to take someone else’s clip, alter it and put it out as your own. Do the same to two clips of the same subject and… Glad you were fooled Grimes. Tee Hee! 
It did to me. 
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