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I might as well bet on virtual racing during the week, when the alternative is the smaller real races, for all the good it does me.
Of course I may have a good little run, but they seem like what supermarkets, I believe, call "loss leaders". Hopeless.
I know there would be pros who consistently make money from them, but I think it requires a degree of networking, contacts, etc.
Quote: from Grimes on 10:10 pm on Feb. 21, 2007[br]I might as well bet on virtual racing during the week, when the alternative is the smaller real races, for all the good it does me.
Of course I may have a good little run, but they seem like what supermarkets, I believe, call "loss leaders". Hopeless.
I know there would be pros who consistently make money from them, but I think it requires a degree of networking, contacts, etc.
Says the person dominating the 4PP competition! :biggrin: I am as well give up now then.
Hello all – I can’t be 100% certain, as I truly did not believe my ears, but I swear I once heard a William Hill bod over the blower state ‘this horse has had good form recently’ when refering to an upcoming virtual race. The whole thing is an absolute disgrace as far as I’m concerned.
Pompete yes you are right. Do you want to know what I have heard about the virtual racing on a morning when working and in Hills? I’ve been saving these up for a rainy day so here goes:
‘The weather is very good at Portman Park today, do the ground is riding fast’
‘(Horse A) is returning from a long layoff today’
‘Its owners have decided to bring this old favourite out of retirement’
‘The virtual stick doesn’t seem to be having much effect’
‘The iceman (referring to a jockey) is sitting motionless at the back of the filed’
‘This course specialist is going to win another’
‘The petrol is emptying and it is running on the spot’
‘It didn’t jump that fence very well, it didn’t see it until late’
And countless more I can’t quite remember. Well, you’ve got to get the mug punters interested haven’t you.
Actually I’ll stop that charade, because yes it is appalling. People are going to bet on it whatever you say, and trying to create a virtual world is just ridiculous. They are doing it with the virtual football too, they make a complete list of names up, and then make careers up for them that they will pop into commentary – and the veteran scores another vital goal etc etc. It is one thing to provide a service, but it is another to actually create a pretence it is real. Perhaps the coomentators believe it themselves!:o
As I say though, I don’t think such elaborate conceptions has any impact on revenue (not the shop(s) i work in anyway).
FSL – I hope these people get paid a lot of money because the cr*p they come out with is – priceless.
There have been a few feck ups with it though.<br>when it first started the number of the winning horse and the second was given out as soon as the ‘race’ started.<br>It went like this 3, 11, 7 and 9 have made a good start with blah blah blah behind. <br>A few that I know went to independant shops where they were able to get on just after the ‘race’ started they did a few to lose on purpose then they each wrote a bet with those numbers in different combinations. One took the lowest nmber and one took the middle number and one took the highest number first the next number they used was the next one up.<br>They took a lot of money from the likes of Wilson Sports (now skybet) before they were banned.
Last year was the first and only time a virtual race meeting was abandoned:o as after 4 races every winner was no1 and some old boy who normally bets on the same number which won the prevoius race had winners @20/1 and 33/1.
It is garbage and just another way to boost the bookies profits without them having to give any of that money back to horse-racing.
Any credibility that people like Cattermole may have totally disappears when they lend their name?????? to such bookmaker products.
They will say anything and do more or less anything for the money, some would say that they are prostituting themselves……….I couldn’t possibly comment!;)
Colin
Quote: from FlatSeasonLover on 2:02 am on Feb. 22, 2007[br]
‘The weather is very good at Portman Park today, do the ground is riding fast’
‘(Horse A) is returning from a long layoff today’
‘Its owners have decided to bring this old favourite out of retirement’
‘The virtual stick doesn’t seem to be having much effect’
‘The iceman (referring to a jockey) is sitting motionless at the back of the filed’
‘This course specialist is going to win another’
‘The petrol is emptying and it is running on the spot’
‘It didn’t jump that fence very well, it didn’t see it until late’
And countless more I can’t quite remember. Well, you’ve got to get the mug punters interested haven’t you.
I assume you’re not taking the p**s<br> FSL.
In which case it stinks. In my book it’s no more than fraud and deception aimed at the more impressionable, vulnerable and insolvent in society – or ‘mug punters’ as you care to call them – with the full knowledge that they’ll lap up the s**te.
Thank fk I no longer visit lbo’s nor have anything to do with off-course bookmakers.
I believe you’re a struggling student so can be forgiven for earning a crust from such a ghastly bunch but promise me you’ll get a proper job when you graduate.
…or am I taking this too seriously?
(Edited by Drone at 3:38 pm on Feb. 22, 2007)
Nope I an not "taking the p**s". That’s just the tip of the iceberg too.
(Edited by FlatSeasonLover at 6:02 pm on Feb. 22, 2007)
"The Cat" is at best pleasing on the eye for the ladies.:) <br>Try listening to his commentaries without looking at the pictures. He is as bad as Graham Goode and can’t even use age as an excuse. Luckily now I have invested in the luxury that is Racing UK so I can see my money disappear in an altogether more satisfactory manner:)
We are though lucky to have some great commentators who convey the excitement of the race whilst accurately describing the action. Stuart Machin is as good as any imo. Great thread on this topic recently.Just discovered the racing forum and am glad I did. Feel I should probably put on a jacket at least after slumming it on the BF forum!
(Edited by Royboy at 8:15 pm on Feb. 22, 2007)
I get it’s just a way of boosting profits without paying back into racing and I’m also prepared to be generous and assume Cattermole is probably contracted to dance to the organ-grinders tune – but can anyone explain how the whole idea of virtual racing & football got passed the gaming commission.
Upon what grounds was it suggested this form of ‘entertainment’ was beneficial to the masses. I have to admit the introducing of virtual racing seemed to have passed me by.
Analyse exactly what Mike (the cat) Cattermole brings to the racing table on an intelectual basis, and this explains why it is not surprising to find him advertising cartoon racing in the bookies.
The fact that this man is allowed to commentate at the two main NH racing festivals is a crime which upsets my sensibilities far more than anything messrs Fallon, Winston, Ferris et al are alleged to have done.
The fact that this man is allowed to commentate at the two main NH racing festivals is a crime which upsets my sensibilities far more than anything messrs Fallon, Winston, Ferris et al are alleged to have done.
With respect Bear, that is b*llocks.
Bear,<br>The likes of Fran Ferris have done far more to damage our sport than someone such as Mike Cattermole could ever do.<br>Whilst many of us may think it was not a wise move to be seen on one hand as a racing jounalist and on the other lending his name to something that will in the end damage racing by diverting money from racing.
In the end Mike may think it may not have been a wise move but that’s for him to decide but he has not broken any laws or rules of racing.
Is he no worse than the so called and self named ‘punters pal’ Claude Duvall the last time I was in a Ladbokes shop his ‘expert views’ were being broadcast on the in house radio service. <br>From the 6 races I heard his views on he had no other opinion that to choose the favourite.
Welsh trainer Byrn Palling gave Fran Ferris many, many chances to clean up his act and in the end had to give up on him. <br>It is hard working stable staff that I feel sorry for as there must be plenty that have the skill and devotion to progress to race riding but very few will ever get the chance. <br>Ferris had many chances and blew the lot.<br>
Seagull actually that is not really fair on Claude Duval. Sure, you would lose money backing all of his selections consistently, but he certainly doesn’t just tip up the favourite.
So the conclusion on Cattermole is that any credability he did has gone out of the window from doing this. (and on this thread:biggrin:)
I’ve harped on about this before, but I’ll never forgive Cattermole for his abysmal commentary on The Last Fling’s last win, when he beat Earthmover in a thrilling finish. Cattermole sounded bored out of his head, he didn’t raise his voice at all (I bet he’d backed the favourite).
Absolutley ridiculous he’s got the top gigs on the racecourses.
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