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But here is the point. No-one is asking you to ‘advocate’ certain behaviour. A law has been passed by a secular government.
Just re-reading Matthew gives the clear message – no human is perfect enough to begin criticising others. Until an individual has overcome all their own failings (and this would be a very rare human indeed) they are in no position to condemn or judge. Only God can judge. Neither is it the business of a Christian to attempt to remodel or maintain society according to their interpretation of the Bible. It is a lifetime’s work just to correct your own individual failings, there is no time to criticise others. What form society takes is irrelevant to the business of trying to live a good life.
Only God or Jesus would be in a position to compare one human to another and to direct them how to live.
I only go into detail on this because this was the Christianity I was taught and, though I personally have often failed to live up to it, I have it as an ideal.
Earlier on in this thread, you called homosexuals perverts. Where was the love and charity there?
I should love gayboys and forgive them for their sins
Not just gayboys but gay men too.
Gh. aka Corkscrew.
In answer to your thought about the "delinquent kids in your area". Thes kids have a mum and dad so therefore do not have a choice of where or who they live with. I bet the said kids dont get bullied at school for being scruffy and poor. But if the same kids had gay parents, who he /she has been put with, then I would place a pound to a penny that they would be picked on due to their adopted parents being gay.
Kids can be the worst sometimes. And as the media has shown lately, this sort of bullying can lead to suicide.
You try again to twist this your way. Try and look beyond the safe well being of the childs gay home. That might not affect the child (but probably will) but its the outside enviroment that might do the kid more harm than good. Im sorry but I think it is totally wrong.
can i just ask whether it is still "fun to stay at the YMCA"?
(Edited by non vintage at 8:33 pm on Dec. 7, 2005)
I presume so, Non Vintage.
I’ve also heard that you can get yourself clean, get a good meal and do anything that you feel.
Quote: from cormack15 on 3:38 pm on Dec. 6, 2005[br]Some fairly unbelievable, and offensive, posts here on this one!
Mesh – homosexuality is not confined to humans and can be found (fairly widely actually) in nature also. In addition, quite how you hope to avoid being termed homophobic when you say you ‘don’t like homosexuality’ and that you’re ‘firmly against gays bringing up children’ is beyond comprehension.
Same sex couples who want to live together and commit to each other should have every right to the same civil/legal ‘priviliges’ that such a commitment entitles stright couples. There is no logical reason why they shouldn’t.
The religious aspect of ‘marriage’ should be treated separately to the civil aspects of ‘partnership’ and is a different debate entirely.<br>
<br>All seconded without reservation.
Jeremy<br>(graysonscolumn)<br>
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
Quote: from Meshaheer on 6:09 pm on Dec. 6, 2005[br]Corm – the word "homophobic" is grossly overused and most often out of context. I have a real phobia and it’s not pleasant. I have never been and never will have a phobia of homosexuals. I’ve known a few in my lifetime and I judge them as people, not on their sexuality! What they do is their business. However it is the concept and the act of homosexuality that is a turn off with me and I’ll still stand by my belief that I don’t think it’s the right way to bring up children.<br>
<br>Turning this response on its head momentarily, Mesh – would you be willing to tell us how you would react to one of your own offspring coming out?
Jeremy<br>(graysonscolumn)<br>
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
Good question Jeremy but one I find impossible to answer being 20 years old, free and single :biggrin: and also as someone who is not keen on the thought of having children (don’t like them lol). Maybe LM could answer it?
Could you good folk please explain a few things to me about the Civil Partnership Act?
<br>First, if its supposed to be the gay equivalent of marriage, why is there no requirement that the civil partnership be consummated ?
<br>Second, why is a civil partnership prohibited between virtually the same levels of consanguinity as a marriage? ÂÂÂ
<br>Third – which is the effect and apparently the purpose of the Act judging by all the self-congratulatory basking in "right-on" credentials of its supporters (even if the sex part has not actually been put in writing and so left the odd loophole) – why should the tax system be subsidising domesticated sexual relationships, whether they’re between hets or homs?   ÂÂÂ
Relationships which carry  greater risk of domestic violence than among those not in such relationships?
<br>And why is no similar pension treatment / similar exemptions from inheritance tax / capital gains tax made available eg for a brother caring for his terminally ill sister , or a child for a parent or vice versa ?
<br>Fourth, what has the Civil Partnership Act got to do with kids?
Even in a marriage, for a long time now things like support/ adoption/ treatment of kids has been made separate from  the support/relationship/ rights as between the spouses themselves –  the two don’t get mixed together.   Adoption continues to be  regulated by  the Adoption Act.
<br>many thanks
best regards
wit<br>
Wit
Q1-3 Ask the government. They were the ones who debated and passed the act.
Q4: I’d say "nothing" directly. However, looking at the bigger picture, it’s going to help make gay adoption more likely/common.
Steve
Hi Steve
i’m sure the government will be the last to admit to another piece of "gesture" legislation with no coherent underlying policy.
still, it’s an ill wind that blows nobody any good – i can see tax advisers having a field day with the loopholes.
best regards
wit ÂÂÂ
Poor wee Jimmy-no-mum will get ******* crucified !!!
So, the reason not to do something is that so many kids in this country are brought up by ignorant bigoted arseholes and are, therefore, ignorant bigoted arseholes themselves until/unless they grow up to think for themselves?
Really?
And if we make pandering to stupidity and ignorance a cornerstone of our society, progress will come from where exactly?
Over to me then Mesh.
I would stand by my son and daughter if they came out.
I might not like it, but they the most important thing in my life, so I would not let that go.
Peaty Sandy.
Your post is so correct and the only ignorant bigoted arseholes are the ones who cannot see the harm that this gay parent thing could place upon the innocent child.  This goverment said they want to stop bullying in schools, then they do something like this, which will only cause little Jimmy more trouble in his life. It simply is not right.
Steve. Does increasing the risk of child bullying and possible child suicide equate to progress in your eyes?
Every child that I know who have come from a, lets say broken or disturbed home, does have the odd extra problem to deal with. But there are a lot of children brought up by single parents who are not bullied or abused at school. I dont personally know of one brought up by gays. So the bullying type of child will have a field day with poofs boy/girl. They would get more bullying than most. Sorry to say.
GH. Dont take anything I say personally. I love you as much as the next one. And I AINT ANGRY……… ALLRIGHT!<br> Your just a story twister.
(Edited by lollys mate at 7:09 pm on Dec. 8, 2005)<br>
(Edited by lollys mate at 7:15 pm on Dec. 8, 2005)
Gh.
I bet your good fun at the old xmas party. You probably win Twister every time.
Lolly doesnt do gay.
I dont like what the gay guys do, but if its wht they can only enjoy, then, my opinion is that there is something not quite right. Thats my opinion and it wont change.
"Personally, I don’t think it will, because kids pick on other kids weak-spots, regardless of what they are. "
To me that spells contradiction. The weak spot here, as you say, is that the boy has bent Dads, There bum bandits, fags, fudge nudgers, poofters. The poor lad will probably be just about to sit down and horrible Jonny will shout out, OI Tarquine, do you want me to push your stool in, or mabey, can I bum a fag later.<br>
Steve. Does increasing the risk of child bullying and possible child suicide equate to progress in your eyes?
By the same logic, you could say that Hinduism should be banned because the children of the stupid, ignorant, intolerant and hateful will bully Hindu children at school.
Steve
Odd that, as a Christian, you quote Paul and the old Testament but fail to quote Jesus, without whom there would be no Christianity.
So here’s a quotation from the teaching of Jesus.
‘Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured unto you. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?’
The judgement of whether a person is living a good life or not is not for us to make. I always understood this teaching to mean that until you are a perfect human being you have no grounds to criticise or judge another human being. And, whilst I’m sure you are a fine and upstanding individual, since you are human, you cannot be perfect.
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