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There is of course a
to take into consideration, but this doesn’t just apply to homosexual men.
Chavs can be old, neds are only kids …
Right so after digesting most of this thread i now have a problem with my sexuality, I started of vanilla hetro as NV would put it. then had a go at steves images phew no images….. however I got women on women…. dam I’m a lesbian!!!:biggrin:
Quote: from Prufrock on 12:09 am on June 25, 2005[br]Lollys mate said:
Sorry to say, but I do find it wrong that a man wants to take it up the wrong-un by another man. Call me old fashioned, but thats my opinion. I dont like the thought of it. Sorry.<br>
Do you think about it much Lolly’s mate??????
LMAO
Ps: Lolly’s mate.
Is that your thing man?
You sit around thinking about two men having anal sex and then disagree with the image in your head???:biggrin:
Your a genius.
Fight the power man.
Sorry for the late reply. Its been a busy weekend on the oil rig.
Are you gay Nixer? Im not.
Prufrock.
How can someone be confused when he knows what he like and what he doesn’t like?<br> Please answer because I’m confused.
I,m off now to my proctology evening class now.
In simple words:
Why are you apologising (you said you were "sorry" twice) if you feel you have nothing to apologise for?
If you are happy with being a homophobic prick don’t say "sorry".
If you are not happy with being a homophobic prick then change your ways.
Did you get it this time?
Now you see, this is where this country has gone wrong.
I dont like the thought of two men kissing, let alone doing the shirt lifting thing. <br> Its my point of view !<br> Do people like Prufrock not like it when people have a point of view ?
If I dont like the colour yellow, does that make me a colourphobic prick ?
If I dont like ketchup, does that make me a ketchuphobic prick ?
I have my own opinions. Not politically correct opinions to some, but they are my own !
If you want me to be P.C. then I whole heartedly agree with getting rid of poverty.<br> But a concert in Hyde Park ain’t even going to scratch the surface.
<br> Saying "sorry" twice has nothing to do with the real issue here.
The real issue here is that I dont like the thought of what gays do.
Its mine and many other peoples opinions. Even my Mum.
Grow up and deal with it.
even my mum… it’s people like her passing on her bigoted opinions who cause the problems and prejudices our society faces.
also – if you don’t like ketchup, fine… but do you ostracise anyone who does? would you ban it from all public places?
I don’t like monkeys, but I don’t parade around outside Monkey World with banners saying how disgusting it is that people want to look at apes.
My ex used to say that gay men were just wrong and unnatural, although lesbians were good. I just used to treat him as if this opinion of his was faintly absurd, which – let’s face it – it was. I actually found it impossible to believe that he really meant the things he said, they were so ridiculous. He would never accept that people do not choose to be gay – I mean, who would? Who would actively choose to have ignoramuses like you abuse and misunderstand them so badly, and have to live with the knowledge that half the world believes they are unacceptably different. Who would choose that?
My ex used to say that if you dressed a girl up as a boy, the gay man would then fancy her and the problem would be solved. Naturally, when I suggested I take a man and dress him up as a woman, and then Ben (my ex) would want to have him, he was horrified. Same theory, though.
I won that argument, by miles.
Robertylea.
Met my Mum have you?
She has her own opinions the same as I have and the same as Ian Davis has and the same as you have. To have your "own" opinion is good, I think.
You dont like monkeys. This is your opinion, you have thought for yourself, this is good.
I personally don’t like yellow, ketchup, male gay sex and like yourself, not too keen on monkeys.
We both have opinions and are therfore the same.
P.S. Your ex was weird.
Quote: from lollys mate on 7:41 pm on June 27, 2005[br] Sorry for the late reply. Its been a busy weekend on the oil rig.
Are you gay Nixer? Im not.
I’m not sure how you would define being gay. You say your not but sit around thinking about men having anal sex so I’m a little bit unsure of your definition base.
There’s one aspect of all this that disturbs me. It’s not guys who dislike ketchup or blokes who have anal sex.<br>It’s the idea that somewhere along the way in politics it has become not just unfashionable but in some cases downright illegal to have a politically incorrect opinion.<br>But how are we to judge what is politically correct?<br>In the nineteenth century, the most highly regarded members of society and the intelligensia held views on women, homosexuality, race and creed which were universally standard and accepted but in today’s society would be judged as bigotted, immoral and unjust.<br>In another 100 years how will our descendents judge our views on the world? Will there be some cultural revolution or genetic revelation which will again reverse the universal standard of acceptable opinion? I suspect there may be, since cultural beliefs seem to have changed constantly since pagan times. It’s not so long ago that we burned witches at the stake simply for owning a black cat and mixing herbs to make a latter day cold remedy!<br>So how did society change its opinions?<br>It changed because it was told to change by some higher authority, whether that higher authority was actually right or wrong. If the King said that smoking tobacco from the colonies was a great wheeze then people agreed and we created a nation of lung cancer sufferers. If you were Catholic or Protestant and the man in charge was the opposite then you suffered terrible retribution, etc etc.<br>Nowadays the change-making role has been hijacked by self interested lobby groups determined to convert minority thinking into Government policy, so it’s now unacceptable to crack jokes or film your child’s sports day in case your film falls into the hands of paedophiles. What utter tosh!<br>That’s just another example of taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Comedians can’t tell jokes about the Irish, Scots, Welsh or Pakistanis, Jews or whatever because it is incitement to racial hatred. It patently is not!. Standing on a street corner handing out vile leaflets and screaming death threats is incitement to racial hatred and the two cannot be compared in the same breath.<br>Gay people (not paedophiles) have every right to expect to be left alone to enjoy the sexual pleasures of their choice. Those who find such activity unnatural should, however, also be entitled to be spared the constant delight that such people seem to have in declaring their particular preference.<br>And at the risk of being branded a gay basher, they should be entitled to express that opinion without fear of being branded a gay basher.<br>Government lawyers are creating this nanny state because they are more interested in preventing costly lawsuits than seriously improving the way we treat our fellow man/woman (sorry, almost forgot).<br>Perhaps we should concentrate on teaching our children the three Rs – Respect, respect, respect – and then perhaps we would live in a more equitable and less life threatening society. <br>
Well put Purple Patch.
Ideally the world would be free of prejudice but in reality that will not happen for an awful long time, if at all.
It’s refreshing to see the change in recent times towards people of different creed, colour, sex and sexual persuasion – and long may that continue.
And yet, without wishing to dredge up old arguments from the ‘Coolest area of Britain’ thread, it’s becoming increasingly noticeable the number of groups that have been founded offering restricted membership to non straight, christain, male caucasians.
It seems that these are now the only people unable to express an opinion without being judged.
Whilst parties like the White power movement are slated as prejudist or just down-right bigoted it’s fine to see job advertisements where ‘Non whites need not apply’.
The increasing lean towards equality is great but hopefully that’s what we’ll see rather than a swing in the opposite direction.
Lee
Some interesting arguments
However, we are all free to say what we want. Sometimes those who wish to express their hatred of another group, or indeed strong opinions in general, seem remarkably sensitive to criticism. No-one can stop you posting up your views on homosexuality on this or any other forum, nor indeed, from shouting them in the middle of the street, in a pub or your own living room. You are entirely free to do so.
But having expressed those views, you should also expect that other people will wish to put the contrary views. If you wish to stand on a street corner and tell everyone your opinion about homosexuality, no-one will stop you and you won’t be arrested. All that has changed in the last twenty years or so is that you are far more likely to find people coming up to disagree with you. That shouldn’t be a problem. The days when someone can tell a racist joke in a pub and expect everyone else to laugh are gone. Societies change. But no-one will physically stop you telling that joke. You may feel more self-conscious about doing so and fear that others may not share your opinions. But that is not the same thing as being prevented from telling it.
On the subject of homosexuality, it should be remembered that gay men are frequently attacked and occasionally killed, even in this country, simply for being gay.
PP
Those who find such activity unnatural should, however, also be entitled to be spared the constant delight that such people seem to have in declaring their particular preference.
Why?
I see hetero couples kissing and holding hands. Why should they have the right to do this in public while, at the same time, gay couples shouldn’t?
When subjects like this come up, the phrase "political correctness" is always brought up. However, what is that exactly?
From what I can gather, it’s just a label to describe the generally held beliefs and values of society.
In which case, why should anyone care about it? Why should anyone feel prevented from expressing an opinion that’s contrary to the values of society?
As far as I’m aware, there’s no laws stopping people expression an opinion that "homosexuality should be illegal".
Perhaps the thing that stops those who hold such an opinion from expressing it is the realisation that they’d be regarded as an arse by most people within earshot.
But they’d probably get the same response if they tried to argue that:
"Henman is the best tennis player in the world and, if it wasn’t for the cheating umpires, would have been a multiple winner of Wimbledon"
or that
"England’s disallowed goal v Portugal in EURO 2004 should have stood" (only joking)
However, that doesn’t prevent people from holding and expressing such views. It just means they’ll be held accountable for them.
And why shouldn’t they?
I’ve got plenty of opinions that are contrary to "political correctness". For example, I believe that fox hunting should be legal. And I have no fear about expressing that view.
However, that’s because I have strong logical reasons for holding that position. Not some prejuidice.
A reasonable, intelligent person will listen to my reasons. Even if he doesn’t agree with my analysis, will probably respect the fairness of my thinking.
A prejuidiced, blinkered person ….. well, who the ****
really cares what he "thinks"?Steve
Purple Patch.
Thats the best post I have ever seen on this forum. <br> I take my hat off to you Sir. (sorry, possibly Madam)
I am 39 years old on the 30th July and have seen so many changes in society. But most of these changes have been within the last 10 too 15 years. So my thinking is that it will become almost impossible to have an opinion, point of view or a personal dislike for something/anything within the next 10 years.
This country used to be proud of its "freedom of speech". Thats not allowed now. Why?
Wilson.
You said; Ideally the world would be free of prejudice but in reality that will not happen for an awful long time, if at all.
Do you think it will ever happen, or are things going to get worse ?
Aranalde.
You said;<br> On the subject of homosexuality, it should be remembered that gay men are frequently attacked and occasionally killed, even in this country, simply for being gay.
In Harrow you get "occasionally" killed for being white!
Stevedg.<br>You said; A reasonable, intelligent person will listen to my reasons. Even if he doesn’t agree with my analysis, will probably respect the fairness of my thinking.
Its good to see an opinion. But can you tell me the difference prejuidiced, and someone with likes and dislikes.
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