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Back to the argument in hand and the reliance on the words of Paul; ironically it was also Paul who wrote the following apt words: "Do not take revenge, my friends, but…on the contrary, if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." It’s also btw, a wonderful barometer of how good a christian you are, that you can do this, and an excellent failsafe ~ because if you falsely consider someone to be your enemy, your kindness will only benefit them, so it’s a win/win situation for the true christian.
I’m not always a fan of Paul, but this is one of my favourite pieces of biblical wisdom along with the intriguing line "Everything is permissable, but not everything is beneficial" from Corinthians ~ stick that in your pipe and smoke it…..
Peaty Sandy – your comments about women have just about convinced me that I can’t take anything you say seriously. I agreed with some of your initial views on this subject although people like you give right-of-centre thoughts a bad name with your ill-informed assumptions and crass statements.
P.S and right-of-centre doesn’t mean homophobic either, in case I’ll be having to spell that out again too.
Oi twister.
Why cant you see things in a light hearted way. Mesh, you dissapoint me. Hes aving a laugh.
Peaty Sandy.
Fancy a pint on Friday?
Peaty Sandy.
There are a lot of heads that smell of poo here.
One of them is called Analandy!
I rest my case!
I’ve only just seen this ..
rory Posted on 3:36 pm on Dec. 13, 2005 <br>Back to the argument in hand and the reliance on the words of Paul; ironically it was also Paul who wrote the following apt words: "Do not take revenge, my friends, but…on the contrary, if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." It’s also btw, a wonderful barometer of how good a christian you are, that you can do this, and an excellent failsafe ~ because if you falsely consider someone to be your enemy, your kindness will only benefit them, so it’s a win/win situation for the true christian.
<br> <br>That’s a great post Rory and pretty well sums up my position on the whole boy/boy – girl/girl thing. Whilst I may not be a homo, or have that lifestyle choice. I do not have strong opinions about other people either way.
I came on a situation years ago, where an old queen had shacked up with a younger chap. After about twenty years the old boy died. As is the case in any long term relationship the younger chap, who by this time was nearly forty thought he would inherit the house and everything, afterall, he had cared for the old bloke for the last six years or so, of his life. But in his Will the old man had left everything (£75K .. 20 years ago) to his nephew. So, the young chap was not only shafted by the Old Queen but the Law had him over as well .. he was thrown out into the street penniless. Which wasn’t very fair or British .. !
Homosexuals make up 6% of the population according to the latest census, they should have to pay for policing these silly gay pride things, themselves. I don’t think being a homosexual entitles a person to special treatment .. fairness for all will do.
It does worry me how quick people are to label people racist, homophobic, ageist, sexist etc. these days if you don’t agree with something.
Thing is dl – if someone disagrees with, for example, fair treatment for all on basis of race, then I agree that they are entitled to that view however much I may disagree with their viewpoint.<br>On the other hand, someone with that viewpoint is a racist and can be justly and correctly called one. People can’t express racist, sexist, homophobic views and then get annoyed when it’s pointed out that those views are, in fact, racist, sexist and homophobic.
I don’t really hold the opinion that everything is either black or white, but lots of different shades of grey.  I don’t think gay marriage is wrong if it makes people happy but I do get annoyed when people are tarnished just for thinking it’s wrong. To me a homophobic is someone who hates gays just because of their sexuality. I don’t like watching gay guys kiss when it is shown on TV but that doesn’t make me a homophobic does it?
I think its all to do with political correctness, (another think that I dissagree with) Daylight.<br> Some might say that I am too out spoken about my views. But there my views and if I want to express them then I will.<br> Personally I dont think that I am racist or homophobic. I enjoy the company of many asians within my work, my golf and my pub. "All" of whom are nice people. There have been some within my work that I dont like. Some people would see my as racist for saying that.
I have probably only met about 20 gay men in my life that I know of. I found the nicest one was the most camp person that I will ever meet. But I dont like the idea of what the do behind closed doors, in fact is makes me sick. Some would say that makes me a homophobe.
If you dont like something then why are you not allowed to say it?
Your getting very predictable Twister.
Let me repeat one example that I said on an earlier post.
The Fire brigade has to recruit more ethnic minorities and women than it can a white man. FACT.
Now you might say that this is all to with equality, why should it?<br> It should be a simple case of the best person for the job. No other qualifications, simply the best man for the job.<br> But that is not seen as being "P.C", because it might offend someone. I would not care if the fire fighter (nearly said fire man. Oh gosh, that might offend) who was saving me from my burning house was black or female. (I would like to see a female carry me down a 40 foot ladder) or had only one arm. The best person for the job.
Another example; An old fashioned "man"hole cover had to change its name to an inspection cover, because it might offend the non men who are so likely to want to climb down it !
Its all nonsence.
Call it progres if you like, but as you know I am not a follower of what the pc brigade stand for.
Am I a racist and homophobe in your eyes Twister?
But I dont like the idea of what the do behind closed doors, in fact is makes me sick.
Many years ago, I used to work with a muslim guy who was very homophobic.
(part of the "bury them alive" brigade)
One thing he used to say was "if you think about what they get up to together….".
And I realised something: I don’t think about what gay guys get up to. It’s just a yawning irrelevance to me.
So, while that guy was (quite literally) having gay sex fantasies, my sex fantaasies were me and Emmanuelle Beart or me and Kylie.
Occasionally, Emmanuelle and Kylie were together, but I was usually "in there" somewhere.
My head was too full of what hoppy might call "poon" for there to be space for any man-on-man action.
And I think that’s true for most straight guys.
Why homophobes prefer to think about a couple of hairy-arsed guys bumming each other is something I’ve never quite figured out.
Steve
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Political correctness" is a term bandied about by people who refuse to accept that societal change has taken place, and that they are being left behind; their views an anachronism. <br><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
– Grasshopper, a few posts above
<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>Political correctness is the requirement of equal public respect for all ethnic groups, genders, lifestyles, sexual orientations, and so on.
Stated thus abstractly, it sounds innocuous to many modern ears.
In practice, however, it is a demanding requirement that calls for extensive purification of language, symbols and images, and ultimately of thoughts, feelings and social institutions.  ÂÂÂ
The specifics are infinitely varied.
Writers and public speakers must use "inclusive" language — for example, avoid using "man" and "he" to refer to human beings in general — and otherwise respect the choice of the terms by the more vocal spokesmen for protected groups.
Athletic teams must be renamed, illustrations in books and periodicals loaded with women and racial minorities in nontraditional roles..done away with as a "symbol of hate."
The casting of actors must be at odds with social stereotypes implicit in their roles, sometimes to the point of absurdity.
Such matters have become a matter of bureaucratic routine; committees meet, decide on guidelines, and incorporate their choices in style sheets and other authoritative standards.
Beyond terminology and symbolism, the requirement of equal respect restricts, sometimes severely, the substance of what can be said.
It would violate that requirement, for example, to entertain any explanation other than discrimination for group differences in income and position.
The possibility that differences in motivation or ability may play a role has become all but taboo in public, as have many other views, for example the view that there are legitimate social and moral objections to homosexuality.
Ultimately, "equal respect" requires the comprehensive restructuring of society so that protected groups in fact enjoy equal status.
Affirmative action and many other government policies therefore become sacrosanct….
PC is a natural consequence of the new position of liberalism as the sole respectable public philosophy, and the resulting power of liberal orthodoxy to define what is legitimate in public life.
It is also a manifestation of the intrinsic limitations of liberalism.
Political power is a practical necessity that can not be analyzed away, as liberalism requires, into something constructed out of men’s individual preferences.
It follows that liberalism is not a suitable foundation for a political order.
The current attempt to make it serve as one forces ruling elites to rely on various forms of manipulation, obfuscation and tyranny because of the insufficiency of the legitimate sources of authority available to them.
Political correctness is an example.
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Jim Kalb – PC and the Crisis of Liberalism
http://www.cycad.com/cgi-bin/pinc/feb98/kalb-pc.html
<br>best regards
wit
Hi GH
You don’t think PC has anything to do with the theft of freedom under New Labour ?
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=511
best regards
wit<br>
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