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I thought Lush Lashes was absolutely brilliant winner of the Coronation Stakes. .
Is it likely she and Natagora will meet again this season?
Didn’t JB say that the Coronation was likely to be LL’s last race at a mile?
If the two clash (and it would be something to savour), could the Prix de l’Opera be the race? The 10 furlongs looks right for both fillies.
Wouldn’t Zarkava slaughter them both?
(At any distance).That wasn’t the question – but yes !
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Yes, I think we probably all agree that Zarkava would win (and probably easily). But from what her connections have said, she may well go for the Prix Vermeille and then hopefully on to the Arc.
Of course, if she doesn’t stay the 12f – I think she will though – she might well end up running in the Opera and winning it despite LL and Natagora.
If Zarkava were to contest the Nassau (which is unlikely), with Lush Lashes and Natagora. IMO it would be hard to seperate them in the betting. Zarkava hasnt yet met a horse as good as Lush Lashes was on Friday. Nor has she raced anything as good as Natagora was in the Prix Jockey Club, with the first three home looking top class.
The way I see it. it would be no forgone conclusion that Zarkava would win.
1m2f Gd-Fm, all three would have conditions in their favour, it would be some race.
Whatever about Jim Bolger’s failings in dealing with the public, you’ve got to love the way he campaigns his horses: not many trainers would have had the guts to pitch Lush Lashes into the Coronation the way he did. His horses seem more versatile in terms of trip than most. It makes me wonder if our horses in these islands are restricted too much in terms of distance- the Aussies think nothing of running their Melbourne Cup horses over 7f and the classy ones win over that distance. Is all this non-staying business and optimum trip malarkey overdone? I’ll be wary of opposing any Bolger horse coming back in trip from now on anyway…
I imagine the Nassau to be on Peeping Fawn’s radar again so I think it would be folly to forget about her…
Zarkava hasn’t been remotely tested thus far and if she bumped into Lush Lashes over anything up to ten furlongs, in the same form she was for the Musidora and Coronation, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see her beaten.
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Lush Lashes victory owes more to Jim Bolger getting her trip right than any wizardry on his part, imo, of course.
Beaten only 2l when held up off an ordinary pace in the Guineas, she then had the Musidora won by the time they’d gone a mile and didn’t stay 12f at Epsom. Small wonder then, that she should show her best form when raced up with a decent pace over Ascot’s stiff 1 mile?
JB’s intransigence, rather than his versatility, shines through the career of a number of his horses; such as his stubborn insistence on trying to make top miler Finsceal Beo a 10f horse, or indeed, New Approach into a Guineas winner, and would be some way down my list of trainers I would trust to get the best out of good horses.Lush Lashes victory owes more to Jim Bolger getting her trip right than any wizardry on his part, imo, of course.
Beaten only 2l when held up off an ordinary pace in the Guineas, she then had the Musidora won by the time they’d gone a mile and didn’t stay 12f at Epsom. Small wonder then, that she should show her best form when raced up with a decent pace over Ascot’s stiff 1 mile?
JB’s intransigence, rather than his versatility, shines through the career of a number of his horses; such as his stubborn insistence on trying to make top miler Finsceal Beo a 10f horse, or indeed, New Approach into a Guineas winner, and would be some way down my list of trainers I would trust to get the best out of good horses.Eh…correct me if Im wrong. Didnt New approach actually manage to run a good race in the guineas. Finished second if Im not mistaken. You felt he shouldnt have run?
As for Finsceal Beo. Didnt she also run a very creditable 2nd in the Tatterstalls to a very good horse.
I think my point here that while these trips might not be optimum, the horses are not disgracing themselves either but instead adding stud value.
Of course, the alternative to this type of training and runing is that you only run a horse over its absolute best trip (assuming you know it) and at most two or three times a year before you retire them unbeaten. Maybe thats you might want Reet but that type of cowardice is not for me either as an owner or watcher of the sport.SHL
Didn’t JB say that the Coronation was likely to be LL’s last race at a mile?
Yes…….
Totally agree Reet. I am a great believer in "optimum trips". It makes perfect sense doesnt it? Just look at human athletes. Mark of a fine trainer is nailing down that trip at the earliest possible stage (allowing that it can vary with maturity) so that time and energy isnt wasted with unnecessary defeats. Bolger may have other qualities but this isnt one of them
Isnt Zarkava reckoned to be a poor traveller and thats the reason we wont see her over here?
It is a little difficult to be certain about some of Zarkava’s form but isnt it significant that Natagora has seemingly swerved running against her?
Didn’t JB say that the Coronation was likely to be LL’s last race at a mile?
Yes…….
Totally agree Reet. I am a great believer in "optimum trips". It makes perfect sense doesnt it? Just look at human athletes. Mark of a fine trainer is nailing down that trip at the earliest possible stage (allowing that it can vary with maturity) so that time and energy isnt wasted with unnecessary defeats. Bolger may have other qualities but this isnt one of them
Isnt Zarkava reckoned to be a poor traveller and thats the reason we wont see her over here?
It is a little difficult to be certain about some of Zarkava’s form but isnt it significant that Natagora has seemingly swerved running against her?
I dont mean to be repeating myself but I really find it astonishing you could think like this. Your essentially saying that the horse that was second in the guineas and tattersalls gold cup failed and shouldn’t have run. It just doesnt make sense to me at all. Just for the point Clivex, youll find that most middle distance runners often run a variety of distances while being happy to admit that they hold preferences for one over the other.
I do of course agree that in a situation where two targets are available of similar merit, a trainer should naturally give his/her horse an entry to the optimum.
SHL
Could never happen if a genuine race were to be run.
Lush Lashes would have too much in the tank to see off any toe-for-toe battle given by Natagora.
One should be racing at 6-7 furlongs and the other 8-10.
3rd against the colts in the Jockey Club over 1m2.5f, not to mention win the 1000G, would suggest otherwise. Natagora is being underestimated over a mile.
Two races run at tactical and pedestrian tempos does not justify to me that Natagora can race over a genuine mile as yet. She is free to prove me wrong but I have my reservations.
Hopefully the Jacques le Marois gives an indication.
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