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I think at the prices it’s hard to get away from Dartmouth, will happily take the horse over the Haggas trainer Dal Harraild – who although has been visually impressive over 1m6f I’m not overly in love with the form, and also although he looks like a potential improver I just can’t agree with him being so close to Dartmouth in the betting.
Thomas Hobson was incredibly impressive when winning the first of his 2 races at Royal Ascot and again like Dal Harraild it may be that we’ve yet to see the best of him on the flat, but I think he shouldn’t be so close to Dartmouth in the betting.
I’d have Dartmouth at about 2/1 here.
Agreed Ben, I think her class will see her through here.
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Thomas Hobson came second in his second Royal Ascot race I believe. I was there when he won on the first day though.
Either way, he’s my main bet of the Ebor meeting 2017 at 7/2.
Thomas Hobson @ 7/2
I like thomas hobson, took a little 4/1 for him, but id be slightly worried hr may get found out at this distance
Dal harraild and dartmouth dont interest me atall, both have promise for this distance, both high class and dartmouth if able to run to his OR would win this, dal harraild should be suited by the distance but ill look elsewere until their proven at 2m
Main bet is for sheikhzayedroad at 8/1 had a saver on thomas hobson at 4/1
Depending on prices tomorrow i may lay dartmouth or dal harraild if either of them get bet into a silly price
Can totally understand why people would bet either of them but too short for me
Thomas Hobson came second in his second Royal Ascot race I believe. I was there when he won on the first day though.
Either way, he’s my main bet of the Ebor meeting 2017 at 7/2.
Thomas Hobson @ 7/2
Yes he did, certainly has a shout, and will probably have a small saver on him to win my Dartmouth stake back (going to do my betting in the morning) but just don’t think he should be practically the same odds as Dartmouth.
Ham – sheikhzayedroad was one I looked at closely, but his stable is in quite poor form and with a horse of this nature going into this race (stayer with form a year ago but nothing this year in the UK) I’d need to see the stable be in form for me to believe he’s going to be back to his best tomorrow.
Must be the only one who likes Dal Harraild. Had a 3 lbs penalty when beating Nekeeta by an easy 3 1/2 lengths in a listed 1m6f event here in May. Looking better the further he went over the furthest he’s raced, should be well suited by this step up to 2m. Didn’t have the pace in the Hardwicke last time out. Going up in trip but I hope the usual prominent tactics are used. You’ll probably get 5/1 in the morning, but 9/2 is good enough for me.
Dartmouth may have slightly better form, but has a 3 lb penalty and am less certain of him getting the trip. That said, seems a lot more consistent on a soft surface so that’s a positive. Saver material.
Can see why people are keen on Thomas Hobson, won the Ascot Stakes in impressive fashion by 6 lengths under 9 stone 10 lbs. Moore exuding confidence. However, I wonder whether he was flattered that day by coming from well off the pace in a strongly run race. Below that form for Martin Harley just a few days afterwards when less drastic tactics were used. Was he not over his previous race? Was it stamina at 2m6f? Does he need Ryan? He’s on Dartmouth today though wouldn’t take that as a tip – you don’t refuse the Queen. Crowley takes over and if the same tactics are used here it may backfire. Doesn’t look a great deal of pace in the race. High Jinx the only true front runner. Seems very progressive but I have doubts about the reliability of the form.
Sheikhzayadroad had a great 2016 but doesn’t seem in the same form after coming back from Dubai. Is an 8 year old and prior to his good season did look a bit of a thinker.
High Power won the Northumberland Plate under a big weight. Best winning form on the all weather, but looked at home on turf when chasing home Big Orange from a distance at Sandown. However, disappointed last time out when I had my money on him in the Goodwood Cup and I don’t know why. Easy to back there and I’ll want to see some money for him if am to get involved here.
Can’t have Prince of Arran. Placed in a poor Sagaro and done nothing since when highly tried.
High Jinx was only beaten half length in the Yorkshire Cup here in May and on that form has a chance. Had Leger winner Simple Verse and Dartmouth in front, subsequent Group winners Marmelo and Endless Time behind. Inadequate trip penultimate start and slowly away last time; so possible excuses although it’s probable age is catching up with him. That said, could easily get a soft lead here.
Montaly won the Chester Cup and then 3/4 length second to Nearly Caught in a listed event. Admirable horse but needs to step up quite a bit here.
One I think is the best bet is St Michel. Sir Mark is going really well at the moment and this horse was a bit unlucky not to win a Group 3 in USA last time. Neck second – finishing fastest – to Red Cardinal who’d won a Group 2 from Nearly Caught in Germany on his previous start and before that a 3/4 length second in a German Group 1 mile-and-a-half. St Michel himself was last year a good 2 1/4 lengths third to Sheikhzayadroad and Quest For More in the Doncaster Cup as a three year old; looking a progressive stayer. 7/1 looks generous.
I’ve backed St Michel @ 7/1 and Dal Harraild @ 9/2 with a 4/1 saver on Dartmouth.
Value Is EverythingDal Harraild is getting a handy 3lbs from Dartmouth today and that just swings it for me.
I hope it dries out to good all round as that will undoubtedly suit the haggas horse. I’m still not sure what to make of patsy cosgrave.
I’ll back him if I fancy one on the all weather but in these types of races I’m not sure. It was Paul Hanagan that rode him for his latest victory as well.Sir mark been quoted as saying st. Michel needs rattling fast ground to be seen to best effect so that’s given me the green light to dismiss him no matter his progressive status.
The only other danger for me is Thomas Hobson but he doesn’t come into this with the same profile as that of Max Dynamite a couple of years back and this is probably a bit sharp for him at this level.
I’ll stick with Dal Harraild, Willy Haggas is excited about stepping him up, not that that means anything to me really but judging by his last 2 efforts he should put up a bold bid.
Dal Harraild for me too!! I have always thought this horse needs a trip and today will either prove me right or make me look a little foolish.
Ginge I think you may have swayed me on Dal Harraild, going to have a shower and coffee and play with my cat (not a euphemism) to clear the old brain then will make a decision
Sir mark been quoted as saying st. Michel needs rattling fast ground to be seen to best effect so that’s given me the green light to dismiss him no matter his progressive status.
One of those things trainers say which markets take account of which are contradicted by form, Chivers. St Michel’s best run last year was on genuinely good ground in the Doncaster Cup. I don’t expect it to be any softer than that today.
Value Is EverythingI was contradicting myself anyway, I have said previously that I don’t listen to what trainers have to say, it’s better to come to your own conclusions.
I just needed a reason to put him aside as I really want a bet in the race but only on the one horse. Still on the easy side according to James Fanshawe, I hope it dries out a bit more by race time.
Winners of the first two races have been steamers.Dartmouth backers very unlucky though; won everywhere but on the line [and even then only for a split second].
St Michel the best horse in the race. Travelled supremely well until think I saw a bump and possibly put off. Might be well handicapped for the Melbourne Cup if he can get in. My saver bet Dartmouth beaten on the nod, in front a centimetre before the line and a centimetre after. That said, winner finished fastest and of the two a righful winner imo.
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