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December 22, 2007 at 04:15 #131494
Agreed but early doors yet , by the time Cheltenham and Aintree come round it may look a lot better…..hopefully!
December 22, 2007 at 10:46 #131518I personally think that Black Jack Ketchum has a great chance here to prove his doubters wrong.
He has got the ground in his favour and also has proven in the past that he stays the distance.
I have also come to decide to go for Black Jack Ketchum, as a way of carefully reducing the other selections in the race.
Hardy Eustace is a great stayer but is getting older all the time and to ask him to step up another 5 furlongs more than he has done in his career so far, may just be a bit too much to ask. He seems to go well at Ascot though but i will rule him out as i think he possibly wont stay.
The form of Special Envoy is interesting though i think. Came a good second in a race won by Inglis Drever at Newbury at the start of the month, and that form looks strong. Also ran a good race at Haydock before that infamous fall at the last under Paddy Merrigan. Seems to go well with longer distances, but im not sure he will be able to cope with the higher class horses such as Black Jack Ketchum, Hardy Eustace, Cheif Dan George, etc…
Would be good to see Black Jack Ketchum get up and win this one, definately think it is his best chance of winning a race in recent times and possibly one which is going to be more in his favour than any other of the runners.
December 22, 2007 at 11:11 #131523I personally think that Black Jack Ketchum has a great chance here to prove his doubters wrong.
Should be fav imo
December 22, 2007 at 12:06 #131533Probably would be FAV if it were thought Hardy wont stay but everyone including AP thinks he will.
One thing getting the trip and being as good at the trip as he was at 2m is another thing………10years old 11ears old in a week or so he may be approaching his sell by date.
The form of the Coral has hardly been boosted and the second is a professional loser.
This looks a tougher race, it’s a new trip and he is way too short a price. Wouldn’t carry my money
His presence makes BJ is a value bet and with HE running it will be the first time he won’t start favourite in a long time.
December 22, 2007 at 13:04 #131539Oscar Park and Sonnyanjoe now non-runners.
December 22, 2007 at 14:13 #131543Cracking shout from no idea – well done
Tad surprised to hear the connections of Hardy and BJK stating their horses ain’t stayed
December 22, 2007 at 14:19 #131544At last the penny has dropped with Jonjo re BJK.
Fine ride by Tom Scudamore.
December 22, 2007 at 14:24 #13154512 1/2 lengths + 7lbs add 9 lengths that was some turnaround in form.
The say Hardy Eustace seemed to get the trip I would argue with that.
Not making excuses but BJK was expected to run a big race and ran like a horse who was half asleep. Couldn’t even get a blow in at HE who was going nowhere, never mind the winner. Can’t believe he is that bad.
Got to all have the lurgy Jonjos…….what price ED now for boxing day
December 22, 2007 at 14:24 #131546More likely to be a physical problem than lack of stamina with Black Jack Ketchum in my opinion.
December 22, 2007 at 14:28 #131548At last the penny has dropped with Jonjo re BJK.
Fine ride by Tom Scudamore.
I think BJK has just confirmed how good he is and that is just above a decent handicapper – a Grade 3 horse
He’ll get beat over shorter trips than todays by horses with the ability of HE, AFsoun Osana, Sublimity etc and he’ll get beat over todays trip by horses like HE, Inglish Drever
December 22, 2007 at 14:53 #131550Were now for BJK? He will not win another 3m Grade 1 in his career. No lurgi, no bug, no injury….just not good enough.
December 22, 2007 at 16:06 #131552AnonymousInactive- Total Posts 17716
Agree with DJ.
BJK had a wind op in the summer, and on today’s evidence it hasn’t worked.December 22, 2007 at 16:21 #131553Not sure you can take anything out of that race. Clearly LD is a very good horse who was not given the respect and stole the race. Well done. To my eye Hardy was staying on and I think would have beaten LD if close enough at the last. BJK looked to be staying as well but just not good enough. I fancied Special Envoy who again was given far too much to do. Do you think that Inglis Dreaver would be only a few lengths ahead of him in thrid if he had run in that race.
Run that race next week on the same ground and I doubt you would get the same result? HE would win for me from SE/LD.
If I was the connections I would not be writing of HE as not staying 3m on the evidence of this one race.
Then again what do I know….. What do the sectional timings say anyone?
December 22, 2007 at 16:48 #131554Seems to be a lack of respect for some horses at the moment who are then making the most of their leads.
Happened today with Lough Derg, happened last week with Osana and has happened in the past with Blazing Bailey.
Take nothing away from Lough Derg and Tom Scudamore, it was a great front running ride from Tom, and he left Black Jack Ketchum and Hardy Eustace with too much to do, you could also say that the jocks on Black Jack Ketchum and Hrdy Eustace also left themselves with too much to do.
Don’t know what to think of Black Jack Ketchum now to be honest, was willing to give him another chance today, but i think we have seen the best of him in the past. Will be interested to see where connections take him in the future.
December 22, 2007 at 16:59 #131557Mordin mode
Remove Lough Derg from the equation
HE about a 166+ horse
6 lengths to
BJK about 163 horse
1 length back
SE about a 158 horse
Would anyone have queried this result ???
It is only because Lough Derg has won that people are questioning HE and BJK’s stamina, had we known HE would stay (which i think he has and he should go World Hurdle) we would have reckoned he’d muller BJK no matter what the distance and would have been no bigger than evens for this
Lough Derg has nixcked race, but that does not mean that the rest haven’t run to near their best
December 22, 2007 at 17:02 #131558I have to claim a vested interest as Lough Derg was my only bet today.
I think it was a good tactical run by the Pipe team – they set a good pace and drew the sting out of the principle opponents, who allowed LD too soft a lead.
I must admit three out I was slightly concerned that Lough Derg may end up, not for the first time, running out of petrol but it looks as though he had been trained to perfection this time.
Biggest disappointment of the race for me was Kasbah Bliss, who was just too bad to be true, there must be something amiss.
December 22, 2007 at 17:06 #131559Kasbah Bliss was supposed to have missed a couple of gallops this week due to frozen ground.
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