Limit Runners per trainer

[MorgansHarbour]

margarsons stable were unlucky not to win a group 1 with barathea guest a couple of years back when disqulified in france. Ciro won it in the stewards for o brien. Any trainer frightened by the number of entries that o brien puts into his races isnt doing his job properly. The horse should be entered to a race on merits. Trainers should not be searching for the group race that O brien forgot. This is a pretty lame arguement. The fact is that o brien has so many two year olds – especially easry season 2yo – that they are often kept from their racecourse debuts because its a stablemates turn to run.  

[robgomm]

MH – yes, O’Brien has "so many" two-year-olds. That’s part of the big advantage Ballydoyle and Godolphin have over the smaller trainers/owners.

Aidan – haven’t thought about it. But i don’t see why he should be able to get away with the Lady Cricket thing. Other than that, i’ve not considered his mass entry system. Jump racing is more even though wouldn’t you agree?

Pipe doesn’t dominate all the major races like The Champion hurdle and Gold Cup and Champion chase.

Anyway, my point was pretty much a personal one. Like i said, seeing O’Brien and Godolphin win race after race gets boring for me personally. It doesn’t seem to be fair as they have millions and millions at their desposal and that rules out smaller set ups having much chance of getting a real good Group horse.

[MorgansHarbour]

im not sure to what good old days you are referring to. Pre goldolphin, it was the various ahmed macktoums, before them robert sangster. That covers the past twenty years. Jump racing is different a coome hill, danoli, limestone lad comes along every now and again.

are you arguing that O brien or macktoum shouldnt be allowed to buy over a certain number of horses? how many horses does Benny the dips owner have in training, or shammit’s?  

[Aidan]

When I look at last years Dewhurst the way I see it is that with out Landseer and Tendulkar in the race Rock Of Gibraltar would have won it easily.I aint thinking as their heads are bobbing "oh O’Brien winning everything bores me!" it could be alot worse.

[prince regent]

<br>robbo

pre godolphin we had maktoums as mentioned  sassoons  sangsters  aga khans  and bunker hunts (incidentally much much richer than magnier/coolmore)

  also neither do aob or godolphin  have the largest string of horses in the country   that honour falls to j dunlop

   i must say though  robbo

 aa  without  the godolphin/aob horses over the last few years racing would be pretty boring

 bb  it is not aobs or godolphins fault if other trainers dont do their job properly  

 cc after all it is not always the most expensive yearling that wins the big prizes   johanasburg and hawk wing for example  being amongst the cheaper purchases of coolmore in fact gatflax and master banjo cost their  owners more.

[tooting]

Aidan – yeah I hate the multiple handicap entries of Pipe.  

Quite apart from the tricks Pipe plays, I always find myself running my finger down the list and saying to myself – oh dear, poor old Huet’s on the 7th string again.  

I was just thinking aloud when I started this off.  Having read the thread through I think the mass entries in handicaps actually annoy me more than the AOB/Godolphin angle (though I do agree with Rob’s sentiments).

Sorry, but I can’t agree with the notion that Nicholls’ horses were all trying their hearts out.  He must have run half his string at Doncaster, perhaps his gallops were waterlogged…

OK, so my proposed solution may be far too simplistic but surely there are things here that are not what racing should be about – pacemakers; messing about with the handicap; using the course as a gallops; top stables farming top races; and supposedly competitive fields made up of mass entries from one stable.

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