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I was under the impression the reason less favs win nowadays is the because of the more competitive nature of the racing and not the actual surface they race on. maybe i’m wrong, but i’d sooner bet on a competitive race and try and find a value bet than bet in one the layers can have sewn up in 10 seconds
<br>(Edited by empty wallet at 5:02 am on July 26, 2006)<br>
(Edited by empty wallet at 5:40 am on July 26, 2006)
EC…
Do you go racing? :o Most punters, say 98%, at any race meeting are not really going to be too concerned with that stat. Its hardly conclusive anyway…
Lingfield
Windsor used to be pretty awful but its been very cleverly tidied up and the atmosphere there now is that of a garden party. There is an excellent attention to detail at the course
Epsom baffles me. Its my least favorite racecourse
As for Kempton. Other than what you suggest, I am not at all sure. The semi interested punter (probably the majority) possibly has this prejudice against AW and maybe its just a case of waiting for that to pass.
Heres an article from last feb about Polytrack for those who have missed it.
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/horseracing … 51,00.html
Seems to me that its harder to pick the winner because its fairer surface for all horses ????
SHL
Quote: from clivex on 9:37 am on July 26, 2006[br]EC…
Do you go racing? :o  Most punters, say 98%, at any race meeting are not really going to be too concerned with that stat. Its hardly conclusive anyway…
As for Kempton. Other than what you suggest, I am not at all sure. The semi interested punter (probably the majority) possibly has this prejudice against AW and maybe its just a case of waiting for that to pass. <br>
It’s not prejudice. We are not pre-judging. We are looking at the results on polytack up to now and saying we are not interested in betting on bingo.
Most punters are concerned with how predictable results are. Ninety eight percent of Kempton racegoers might not be interested, but most punters are. Kempton are drawing their paying crowd from the tiny subset of people that want to bet on bingo but like to see it dressed up as something else.
Glenn
Class 4 racing and below is Bingo no matter which course or surface it’s stage on
The idea that polytrack is suddenly a lottery where turf wasnt, is based on what? The 4% deviation? Come on now…
The races scheduled for the existing evening fixtures are pretty much the same as before the development
Maxilon, the last summer meeting at Towcester was free to get in, not sure if that will change before the next meeting… The last meeting was absolutely heaving as well… Reminded me of cheltenham on a smaller scale.. It was four deep at the bar
I wouldn’t go to Kempton simply because I think all weather racing is crap. <br>Good luck to all those who like it, but in my opinion it should only be staged when we are knee deep in snow and frost.
Kempton is the nearest course to where I live, but there’s no way I’ll ever go. I think all weather racing is poor in comparison to turf racing, so I wouldn’t want to feel I’m contributing to encouraging racecourses to switch to all weather. I hope the attendance figures drop off myself.
if anyone comes on here and says it’s easy to make it pay..and I just haven’t found the key..I’ll gladly let said person demonstrate 6 months of bets in real time on that surface.
if they make a profit in 6 months..I’ll admit I am wrong and go back to the drawing board. <br>
I’ll give it a go – not saying it is easy but I am sure it can be done. Wolves is my local track and I’ve always enjoyed going there.
Should I post the selections here or in the other section (or have we had this debate before?)
Quote: from Ted on 7:32 pm on July 26, 2006[br]I wouldn’t go to Kempton simply because I think all weather racing is crap. <br>Good luck to all those who like it, but in my opinion it should only be staged when we are knee deep in snow and frost.
Kempton is the nearest course to where I live, but there’s no way I’ll ever go. I think all weather racing is poor in comparison to turf racing, so I wouldn’t want to feel I’m contributing to encouraging racecourses to switch to all weather. I hope the attendance figures drop off myself.<br>
<br>A man after my own heart. This dirt stuff isn’t proper racing to me.
Quote: from EC on 8:02 pm on July 26, 2006[br]Aranalde
Good on ya Aranalde
Post them in the tips section..or you will see grown men crying on here;)
Good luck with them
AW racing is better qualitywise than most NH meetings staged during the winter..many horses competing at the NH gaff tracks are worse than selling platers on the flat..so I don’t understand why folk think NH is great and AW is crap..totally mystifying and defies all logic imho.
(Edited by EC at 8:02 pm on July 26, 2006)<br>
<br>Because horse racing should be on turf. Heavy, Soft, Firm it’s all part of the game and traditionally that’s the way it has always been. That’s my view any way.
The day that all weather racing becomes equal to the turf is the day I will give the sport up.
Thanks, Aragorn. The words "absolutely" and "heaving" shine out in your post there. I presume that the course executive are covering costs in other ways.
All entertainment is eventually price sensitive – one or two football teams may be about to find that out in the coming season after a dull World Cup – and entrepreneurs who ignore this usually catch a cold. Maybe the Kempton executive should take a risk.
Quote: from EC on 8:27 pm on July 26, 2006[br]Market
i will never understand how you can hate a type of racing in that way
the whole lot looks a load of crap to me at the moment anyway;)
<br>Ah well, each to their own. I’m a traditionalist. I like turf flat racing in the summer and turf jump racing in the winter that’s it. Can’t be done with Breeders Cups or Dubai World Cups or anything like that. Give me good old fashioned European turf racing.
I’m 32 by the way although it may appear that I’m an old dinosaur
Don’t know if such stats are available but I seem to recall low drawn front-runners on Lingfield’s equitrack having a huge advantage. They’d get in front and kick s**t
in everything elses face and tend to make all.I’ll confine selections to the Polytrack and will set up an appropriate thread in the appropriate place. Wolves on Friday is first up I believe.
The fact that I am hopeless at this game could be useful. If even I can make a profit, that would suggest that all the pro punters on here could do even better.
Quote: from EC on 6:29 pm on July 26, 2006[br]
my opinion..is scrap polytrack..they will do at some point in the future..and when they replace it..they may give a bit of thought to why watching racing on it is unappealing to punters.
Isn’t it possible – and in the case of Kempton likely – that there hasn’t been enough racing on polytrack yet for the market to predict the results as well as it does on turf due to lack of sufficient ‘form’ e.g the type of horse able to shine on it, what the shape and pace of a ‘typical’ polytrack event is and, in addition, jockeys being on a learning curve and equally unsure trainers not yet proficient at placing to advantage.
I know next to zilch about AW but I’d surmise polytrack is as different from fibresand/equitrack as ,say, soft and firm turf going, or indeed equitrack was compared to fibresand.
How did favs fare in the first few years of fibresand/equitrack?
Did the market find it equally difficult to get a grip on it until there were sufficient (what ever that may be) statistics in the book to glean robust trends?
I find it unlikely that polytrack will be ditched as it would seem the kindest AW surface – for the horse – and like all AW once the start-up capital has been spent it’s both cheaper and easier to maintain than turf and from what little evidence there is would seem to be more enduring/resilient than other AW surfaces, though I guess it’s too early to be sure of that.
(Edited by Drone at 9:33 pm on July 26, 2006)
Quote: from Aranalde on 9:30 pm on July 26, 2006[br]The fact that I am hopeless at this game could be useful. If even I can make a profit, that would suggest that all the pro punters on here could do even better. <br>
Don’t worry. There aren’t many pro-punters on here, despite claims to the contrary.
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