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  • #39517
    larry layer
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    Chepstow 4.30 Saint Par LAY £20 @ 13/5 WON<br>BANK = £1370.03

    Wolverhampton 5.15 Woodlyon LAY £20 @ 12/5 WON<br>BANK = £1322.03

    Warwick 5.25 Supreme Toss LAY £20 @ 11/5 WON<br>BANK = £1278.03

    Sandown 5.30 Ajar LAY £20 @ 15/8 WON <br>BANK = £1240.53

    Ayr 5.35 Stakeholder LAY £20 @ 13/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1260.53

    39 Plays, BANK UP £260.53. 29 Wins, 10 Losses.

    Back onto averages, there had been too many losing so this was due to happen.  Hopefully back in business on Monday :)

    #39518
    paul101
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    hi larry, nice to see your still going, you were due a bad day,but keep the system going.

    I used to get In The Know racing mag, last flat season and they gave I think it was £50 for the months best system’s why not Email them with your system its worth a try!

    #39519
    larry layer
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    Plumpton 5.00 Secret Drinker LAY £20 @ 13/5 WON<br>BANK = £1198.53

    Taunton 5.10 Best Available LAY £20 @ 6/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1218.53

    Stratford 5.20 Coy Lad LAY £20 @ Evens LOST<br>BANK = £1238.53

    42 Plays, BANK UP £238.53  31 Wins, 11 Losses.

    Hi Paul, thanks for the tip!  I might well do that.. do they have a website ?  I was almost thinking that you could use it as an indicater as to when some winners are due! :biggrin:

    #39520
    Garvee
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    Larry<br>Try http://www.itkonline.co.uk. <br>Garvee

    #39521
    Obiwan
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    Larry<br>Nice to see a laying system being put to the test, thanks for sharing it with us.<br>However I think It is tad unfair to compare it with systems that back horses!<br>Also are you taking into account the commision on your winnings? this will add up.The exchanges are getting more competitive now from what I gather I think the key is to try and stick as close to sp as possible say within 15%.On play 121 I beleive you can lay at sp+X%.<br>Another angle you may with to adopt is to lay to a maximum risk, this should be safer in the long run but may mean profits grow more steadily.i.e offer to take £10 on a 2/1 shot but £20 on an even money shot or £30 on a 4/6 shot. This way makes it similar to normal betting in that you always know what you will lose, like level stakes.<br>Cheers;)

    #39522
    larry layer
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    obiwan, I have tried that style of staking over a long run and it actually underperforms compared to the way Im doing it.  If a horse is odds on it has a greater chance of winning, by taking level stakes you reduce the amount you lose compared to the ability of the horse.

    Comission is something people will have to take into account if they do the system..  not sure if I should include it or not..

    I will update the system later on, I’ve been a bit busy betting on other markets this week! :biggrin:

    #39523
    larry layer
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    March 12th

    Chepstow 5.05  Calladine LAY £20 @ 4/1  LOST<br>BANK = £1258.53

    Southwell 5.15 Joint Favs No Bet.

    Sedgefield 5.25 Jolly Minster LAY £20 @ 8/11  WON<br>BANK = £1243.99

    March 13th

    Huntingdon 5.30 Learn The Lingo LAY £20 @ 2/1 LOST<br>BANK = £1263.99

    Cheltenham 5.40 Rhinestone Cowboy LAY £20 @ 13/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1283.99

    March 14th

    Southwell 5.15 Katy O’Hara LAY £20 @ 6/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1303.99

    Hexham 5.25 The Eens LAY £20 @ 12/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1323.99

    Cheltenham 5.40 Polar Red LAY £20 @ 21/10 LOST<br>BANK = £1343.99

    March 15th

    Fakenham 5.15 Leatherback LAY £20 @ 11/8 WON<br>BANK = £1316.49

    Chepstow 5.30 Reel Dancer LAY £20 @  13/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1336.49

    Wolverhampton 5.35 Bright Mist LAY £20 @ 12/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1356.49

    March 16th

    Uttoxeter 4.35 Lets Fly LAY £20 @ 11/8 LOST<br>BANK = £1376.49

    Lingfield 4.40 Dunedin Rascal LAY £20 @ 9/2 LOST<br>BANK = £1396.49

    Market Rasen 5.20 It’s Just Sally LAY £20 @ 6/4 LOST<br>BANK = £1416.49

    March 18th

    Southwell 5.00 Crazy Mazie LAY £20 @ 13/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1436.49

    Wolverhampton 5.10 Illusive LAY £20 @ 4/1 LOST<br>BANK = £1456.49

    Ayr 5.20 San Francisco LAY £20 @ 7/4 WON<br>BANK = £1421.49

    March 19th

    Hereford 4.40 Admiral Peary LAY £20 @ 6/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1441.49

    Sedgefield 5.00 Jolly Minster LAY £20 @ 10/11 LOST<br>BANK = £1461.49

    March 20th

    Ludlow 5.25 Coleham LAY £20 @ 7/4 LOST<br>BANK = £1481.49

    March 21st

    Southwell 4.55 Joint Favs No Bet.

    Doncaster 5.05 SIlver SOcks LAY £20 @ 10/3 LOST<br>BANK = £1501.49

    Wincanton 5.15 Cowboyboots LAY £20 @ 15/8 LOST<br>BANK = £1521.49

    March 22nd

    Doncaster 4.35 Ajeel LAY £20 @ 11/10 LOST<br>BANK = £1541.49

    Kelso 4.45 Backcraft LAY £20 @ 4/9 WON<br>BANK = £1532.60

    Newbury 4.55 Sure Future LAY £20 @ 15/8 LOST<br>BANK = £1552.60

    March 23rd

    Newbury 4.45 Kyper Disco LAY £20 @ 12/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1572.60

    Fontwell 4.55 Garethson LAY £20 @ 21/10 LOST<br>BANK = £1592.60

    Uttoxeter 5.05 Asparagus LAY £20 @ 13/8 WON<br>BANK = £1560.10

    Doncaster 5.15 Mutarafaa LAY £20 @ 11/2 LOST<br>BANK = £1580.10

    Bangor 5.25 Emencee LAY £20 @ 13/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1600.10

    March 25th

    Lingfield 4.55 Kennet LAY £20 @ 4/1 LOST<br>BANK = £1620.10

    Newcastle 5.35 Joint Favs No Bet.

    Wolverhampton 5.45 Little Richard LAY £20 @ 15/8 LOST<br>BANK = £1640.10

    March 26th

    Southwell 4.30 Young-un LAY £20 @ 11/2 LOST<br>BANK = £1660.10

    Kelso 4.40 Fiolino LAY £20 @ 13/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1680.10

    March 27th

    Nottingham 4.40 Junkanoo LAY £20 @ 10/3 WON<br>BANK = £1613.43

    Catterick 4.50 Two Marks LAY £20 @ 4/7 LOST<br>BANK = £1633.43

    Lingfield 5.00 Diamond Dagger LAY £20 @ 12/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1653.43

    78 PLays, BANK UP £653.43. 61 Wins, 17 Losses.

    (Edited by larry layer at 2:01 pm on Mar. 28, 2002)

    #39524
    larry layer
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    Up to date!  Still working well :cool:

    #39525
    Will
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    Hi Larry

    Nice system… but the Easter weekend must have been a nightmare, both betting, and then working out the bank totals etc; (I havn’t checked the results myself)

    I had a wee look at your results in the thread and took just  the "Last Race of the Day" therefore narrowing it down to  just "One Race per Day" …and the results.. if I’ve done it right are printed here:

    From 21 Feb  to 27th March:

    Huntingdon 5.10 Oudalmuteena LAY £20 @ 7/2 LOST <br>Wolverhampton 5.20 Ostara LAY £20 @ 5/2 LOST<br>Kempton 5.10 Cappadrummin LAY £20 @ 13/8 WON <br>Plumpton 4.55 Brooksie LAY £20 @ 10/3 LOST <br>Lingfield 4.40 Mr Lear LAY £20 @ 5/6 LOST <br>Lingfield 5.15 Open Arms LAY £20 @ 13/8 WON <br>Southwell 5.20 Green Green Grass LAY £20 @ 6/4 LOST <br>Newbury 5.30 Tom De Savoie LAY £20 @ 6/4 LOST <br>Newbury 5.35 The Penny’s Dropped LAY £20 @ 11/8 LOST <br>Fontwell 5.20 Dragon Hunter LAY £20 @ 6/4 WON <br>Sedgefield 5.00 MR Woodentop LAY £20 @ 1/3 LOST <br>Lingfield 5.10 Nayyir LAY £20 @ 1/3 WON <br>Towcester 5.10 Sparkling Sword LAY £20 @ 11/8 LOST <br>Hereford 5.25 Mr Dow Jones LAY £20 @ 11/8 WON <br>Ayr 5.35 Stakeholder LAY £20 @ 13/5 LOST <br>Stratford 5.20 Coy Lad LAY £20 @ Evens LOST <br>Sedgefield 5.25 Jolly Minster LAY £20 @ 8/11 WON <br>Cheltenham 5.40 Rhinestone Cowboy LAY £20 @ 13/5 LOST <br>Cheltenham 5.40 Polar Red LAY £20 @ 21/10 LOST <br>Wolverhampton 5.35 Bright Mist LAY £20 @ 12/5 LOST <br>Market Rasen 5.20 It’s Just Sally LAY £20 @ 6/4 LOST <br>Ayr 5.20 San Francisco LAY £20 @ 7/4 WON <br>Sedgefield 5.00 Jolly Minster LAY £20 @ 10/11 LOST <br>Ludlow 5.25 Coleham LAY £20 @ 7/4 LOST<br>Wincanton 5.15 Cowboyboots LAY £20 @ 15/8 LOST <br>Newbury 4.55 Sure Future LAY £20 @ 15/8 LOST<br>Bangor 5.25 Emencee LAY £20 @ 13/5 LOST <br>Wolverhampton 5.45 Little Richard LAY £20 @ 15/8 LOST <br>Kelso 4.40 Fiolino LAY £20 @ 13/5 LOST <br>Lingfield 5.00 Diamond Dagger LAY £20 @ 12/5 LOST

    If all is correct, there were 23 Days you would collect £20 and 7 Days you would pay out sums of £7 to £35 aprox.<br> <br>If my sums are right you would Collect £460 (23x£20), Pay Out £179 (aprox), and be in profit to about £281.(not inc Com) from 30 bets.

    The One a Day would suit me, but maybe others prefer to have a few "irons in the fire".

    Thanks for the work you put in, and hope you can keep it going, to get a significant  database, for reference.

    Regards

    #39526
    larry layer
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    Hi Will, have you been followig the system lately ? I hope it has been working for you!  Time for an update I think…

    I am going to include all race courses over the Easter period, but I have doubts as to which ones were available to bet/lay on via Betfair.  Would appretiate some input from Urban Dave or the other moderators as to whether this is ok or not.

    #39527
    MatronMatron
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    You carry on Larry and bring your results upto date.

    I think it would fairer if you could post the results on a daily basis though in future as there is a monthly prize at stake.

    Regards – Matron<br>:cool:

    (Edited by Matron at 5:09 pm on April 10, 2002)

    #39528
    larry layer
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    March 28th

    Leicester 4.30 Baringo LAY £20 @ 7/2 LOST<br>BANK = £1673.43

    Musselburgh 4.50 Mr Wensleydale LAY £20 @ 3/1 LOST<br>BANK = £1693.43

    Exeter 5.10 Miss Cool LAY £20 @ 10/11 LOST<br>BANK = £1713.43

    March 30th

    Plumpton 5.00 Ashgar LAY £20 @ 10/11 LOST<br>BANK = £1733.43

    Haydock 5.05 Broolyn Breeze LAY £20 @ 13/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1753.43

    Kempton 5.20 Harbour House LAY £20 @ 13/2 LOST<br>BANK = £1773.43

    Towcester 5.20 No Quarter LAY £20 @ 6/5 WON<br>BANK = £1749.43

    Newton Abbot 5.25 Blues Story LAY £20 @ 9/2 LOST<br>BANK = £1769.43

    Carlisle 5.30 Joint Favs No Bet

    April 1st

    Wincanton 4.30 Couloir LAY £20 @ 21/10 WON<br>BANK = £1727.43

    Hereford 4.30 Joint Favs No Bet (Neither Won)

    Kempton 4.50 Mr Dinos LAY £20 @ 7/4 LOST<br>BANK = £1747.43

    Chepstow 4.55 Max Pride LAY £20 @ 13/8 LOST<br>BANK = £1767.43

    Market Rasen 5.00 Big Max LAY £20 @ 2/1 LOST<br>BANK = £1787.43

    Newcastle 5.00 Espada LAY £20 @ 11/2 LOST<br>BANK = £1807.43

    Plumpton 5.00 John Hunter LAY £20 @ 13/8 WON<br>BANK = £1774.93

    Uttoxeter 5.05 Rio Tinto LAY £20 @ 21/10 LOST<br>BANK = £1794.93

    Wetherby 5.05 You’re Special LAY £20 @ 10/11 WON<br>BANK = £1776.75

    Huntingdon 5.05 High Places LAY £20 @ 13/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1796.75

    Warwick 5.10 Aker Wood LAY £20 @ 10/3 LOST<br>BANK = £1816.75

    Carlisle 5.15 Temple Dog LAY £20 @ 15/8 LOST<br>BANK = £1836.75

    Towcester 5.25 Sh Boom LAY £20 @ 7/4 WON<br>BANK = £1801.75

    Nottingham 5.25 El Raymondo LAY £20 @ 9/2 LOST<br>BANK = £1821.75

    Fakenham 5.25 Long Shot LAY £20 @ 11/10 WON<br>BANK = £1799.75

    April 2nd

    Southwell 4.30 River Ensign LAY £20 @ 13/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1819.75

    Warwick 5.10 Kalasara LAY £20 @ 7/4 WON<br>BANK = £1784.75

    Uttoxeter 5.20 Giolla Valley LAY £20 @ 3/1 LOST<br>BANK = £1804.75

    More updates later on..

    #39529
    larry layer
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    Hi Matron,

    I will do my best to do that, recently I have been betting during the time I would be updating… but I will try to make time.  There will be a few days during this month where I’m away from the computer however.  Thanks :)  

    #39530
    larry layer
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    April 3rd

    Ascot 5.20 Kopeck LAY £20 @ 10/3 LOST<br>BANK = £1824.75

    Ludlow 5.40 Counsel LAY £20 @ 5/1 LOST<br>BANK = £1844.75

    Ripon 6.00 Thaqib LAY £20 @ 5/4 LOST<br>BANK = £1864.75

    April 4th

    Aintree 5.20 Eternal Spring LAY £20 @ 21/10 LOST<br>BANK = £1884.75

    Leicester 5.30 Air Mail LAY £20 @ 9/2 LOST<br>BANK = £1904.75

    Taunton 5.40 Cameron Bridge LAY £20 @ 2/1 LOST<br>BANK = £1924.75

    April 5th

    Sedgefield 5.10 Court of Appeal LAY £20 @ 6/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1944.75

    Aintree 5.25 Ravenswood LAY £20 @ 15/8 WON<br>BANK = £1907.25

    Folkstone 5.35 Double FAre LAY £20 @ 13/8 LOST<br>BANK = £1927.25

    April 6th

    Lingfield 4.45 Ballerine LAY £20 @ 11/2 LOST<br>BANK = £1947.25

    Aintree 5.15 Kickham LAY £20 @ 16/5 WON<br>BANK = £1883.25

    Hereford 5.25 Rainbow Spirit LAY £20 @ 21/10 LOST<br>BANK = £1903.25

    April 8th

    Kempton 4.55 Joint Favs No Bet

    Wolverhampton 5.05 Jalb LAY £20 @ 12/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1923.25

    Kelso 5.15 The President LAY £20 @ 21/10 LOST<br>BANK = £1943.25

    April 9th

    No Racing.

    April 10th

    Lingfield 5.10 Colonel Cotton LAY £20 @ 3/1 LOST<br>BANK = £1963.25

    Warwick 5.25 Cabo Salinas LAY £20 @ 13/2 LOST<br>BANK = £1983.25

    Chepstow 5.40 Ski Pass LAY £20 @ 15/8 LOST<br>BANK = £2003.25

    April 11th

    Musselburgh 4.50 High Drama LAY £20 @ 3/1 LOST<br>BANK = £2023.25

    Exeter 4.55 Mouseski LAY £20 @ 12/5 LOST<br>BANK = £2043.25

    Brighton 5.00 Jawhari LAY £20 @ 3/1 LOST<br>BANK = £2063.25

    Ludlow 5.10 Blue Ride LAY £20 @ 3/1 WON<br>BANK = £2003.25

    124 Plays, BANK UP £1003.25. 97 Wins, 27 Losses.<br>

    (Edited by larry layer at 12:20 pm on April 12, 2002)

    #39531
    larry layer
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    Continuing the updates.. hopefully be able to do it more regularly from now on, just finished a couple of exams today!

    April 12th

    Carlisle 4.50 Joe’s Edge LAY £20 @ 21/10 WON<br>BANK = £1961.25

    Uttoxeter 5.00 Clodoald LAY £20 @ 16/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1981.25

    Southwell 5.10 Joint Favs No Bet. (Neither Won)

    April 13th

    Ascot 4.50 Shemdani LAY £20 @ 6/5 LOST<br>BANK = £2001.25

    Market Rasen 5.00 Nephite LAY £20 @ 3/1 WON<br>BANK = £1941.25

    Pontefract 5.05 Stands To Reason LAY £20 @ 21/10 LOST<br>BANK = £1961.25

    Hexham 5.10 Ragu LAY £20 @ 21/10 LOST<br>BANK = £1981.25

    Haydock 5.15 Vanderlin LAY £20 @ Evens LOST<br>BANK = £2001.25

    April 15th

    Southwell 4.40 Tolcea LAY £20 @ 13/5 LOST<br>BANK = £2021.25

    Plumpton 4.50 Charliemoore LAY £20 @ 11/8 WON<br>BANK = £1993.75

    Windsor 5.30 Imoya LAY £20 @ 11/8 WON<br>BANK = £1966.25

    April 16th

    Newcastle 4.55 Petterson’s Cay LAY £20 @ 15/8 LOST<br>BANK = £1986.25

    Newmarket 5.10 Mazepa LAY £20 @ 15/8 WON<br>BANK = £1948.75

    Nottingham 5.20 It’s Our Secret LAY £20 @ 13/5 LOST<br>BANK = £1968.75

    137 Plays, BANK UP £968.75.  105 Wins, 32 Losses.

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