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Youmzain is surely a fantastic e/w bet at 8/1.
Granted, he was disappointing last time in France but apart from that it’s only the irrepressible Channon who has stopped this horse achieving more by campaigning him at a very inadequate 1m2. He needs every inch of a mile and a half and I fully expect him to appreciate any ease in the ground, in stark contrast to Dylan Thomas.
I was on Marrahel ew at 10/1 .
Course specialist, in good form and proven at this ‘level’. I expect him to start lower than 5/1 on the day, so I think I’ll have a small wager on the nose.
Maraahel is far from being proven at this level.
Really? His Shd second to Notnowcato in last years Juddmonte (Dylan Thomas held) is all the proof I need to suggest that he’s more than capable of winning this.
His recent CD win in the Hardwicke Stakes and third in the Coronation Cup also remind us that, even at 6YO, he still retains plenty of that ability.
Granted, most of his wins are at G2 / G3 level, but this race is only G1 status by name.
It is not one of the best renewals, in terms of overall quality – that much is fair to say. Of course Maraahel has a chance, but I for one will be steaming into Dylan Thomas on this particular occasion – come hell or high water.
I know, a fool and his money is easily parted, but there you go, what can you do?
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This years King George is worse than last years and thats saying something infact this has to be the worst quality field I can remember. The King George isn’t the King George without the best of the three year olds taking on the older generation.
I’m still gutted.
I would agree with newyork to an extent that dylan thomas is not quite the same horse this year and for whatever reason doesnt seem to have the stomach for a battle he did last year, in the irish champion for example.
That said there is no way I could oppose him for saturday as I really think he is just too good. Maraahel is so easily held on the coronation cup form by Scorpian I really just dont see an argument for him, its not like hes open to a massive improvement. Youmzain is probably the best value in the field and may be worth an e/w punt as id agree he hasnt been seen over his optimum trip.
A poor G1 it certainly is and for that reason I cant go against dylan thomas, I think even at short odd on he is too long given manduros run at ascot is rated one of the best on turf this year. he to me is the only proper G1 horse in the field.
I would agree with newyork to an extent that dylan thomas is not quite the same horse this year and for whatever reason doesnt seem to have the stomach for a battle he did last year, in the irish champion for example.
That said there is no way I could oppose him for saturday as I really think he is just too good. Maraahel is so easily held on the coronation cup form by Scorpian I really just dont see an argument for him, its not like hes open to a massive improvement. Youmzain is probably the best value in the field and may be worth an e/w punt as id agree he hasnt been seen over his optimum trip.
A poor G1 it certainly is and for that reason I cant go against dylan thomas, I think even at short odd on he is too long given manduros run at ascot is rated one of the best on turf this year. he to me is the only proper G1 horse in the field.
What about their most recent outing over CD at Ascot? Although they’re now running off level weights, Maraahel was always holding Scorpion and proved he’s few pounds better around his beloved Ascot.
A comment by Richard Hills from the RP. "He has every chance to win his Group 1 on Saturday, and we will take on whatever they put in front of us. This year we’ve got him very competitive – they might get by him but they’ve then got to stay in front of him."
Dylan Thomas makes no appeal to me at that price. He’s clearly the best horse in the race but has looked vulnerable this season, is better over 10F and will not appreciate the ground.
It’s a shame SOF is a non-runner – I would have placed a decent amount on him in a match bet against DT.
there was a time when the king george stood head and shoulders above every english group one race. now its just another one of them.
no wonder debeers decided to end their long sponsorship.One of the reasons is that english and irish trainers realise that the KG takes a lot out of a 3yr old,and a mid season break is important,at least if you want to go for the arc and breeders cup. You just have to look how bad english and irish trained 3yr horses have done in the arc and breeders cup,when they have contested the KG .
Didn`t bother Lammtarra of course. Derby – KG – Arc. Chapple-Hyam knew he had a top class animal so why mess about with the Dante and Eclipse.
One of the reasons is that english and irish trainers realise that the KG takes a lot out of a 3yr old,and a mid season break is important,at least if you want to go for the arc and breeders cup. You just have to look how bad english and irish trained 3yr horses have done in the arc and breeders cup,when they have contested the KG .
I don’t really accept this argument. The King George didn’t take enough out of Mill Reef to stop him winning and Arc or Dancing Brave or Lammtarra or Reference Point or Nijinsky from winning the St Leger etc etc (there are many more examples).
The current trend is to miss the King George to save a horse for the Arc but how often does a three year old "saved for the Arc" go on to win it? There are months between the King George and the Arc its a false notion that you can’t do both and its a myth that needs exploding.
As for the Breeders Cup Ok the money on offer is a big draw BUT lets look after our own racing first. If we don’t British racing will suffer as a result. Horses should be aimed at the King George I’m not in favour of our top horses taking in the Breeders Cup anyway, I’d much rather horses target the King George.
Attitudes need to change.
how often does a three year old "saved for the Arc" go on to win it?
If saved for the Arc means avoiding racing beyond the middle of July and prepping in September, it’s quite a long list.
ok maraahel beat scorpian in the hardwicke. but:
a) imo he wouldnt have at equal weights
b) scorpion clearly is better over further
c) DT is a much better horse than scorpion imoI wasnt saying scorpion would win, or possibly even beat maraahel (tho I think he will) but that I dont think the horse can hold a candle to DT. Im not convinced by the 10f/12f argument. hes only raced 12f twice won one easy and 3 in the other. form not the best but i dont think you can say hes much better at 10 given he hasnt raced 12 since he won the irish derby.
Gareth: ok there is a lot of G1s winners in the field, that doesnt make them proper G1 12f winners. Sergeant cecils is over 2m4f, scorpian is much better over 1m6f imo, laverock has 2, one in italy and the ground didnt suit manduro last year at longchamp. its a bit poor overall.
how often does a three year old "saved for the Arc" go on to win it?
If saved for the Arc means avoiding racing beyond the middle of July and prepping in September, it’s quite a long list.
I’m talking about a three year old (as those are the ones generally avoiding the King George) that has deliberately avoided the King George in order to be "fresh for the Arc".
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