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Steve
How many of those horse you mentioned are 3 year olds. That is the general point, that the race of late isn’t attracting the classic generation. Whilst last year might have been an ‘exciting race’, it was almost certainly below par in form terms and didn’t attract a single 3 yo.
How many of those horse you mentioned are 3 year olds.
None.
But let’s be realistic and ask the question: how many top class 12f 3yos have come out of England in the last 5(+) years?
So, it probably makes sense for them to avoid the high quality international horses that turn up to the KG.
The best 12f 3yos of the last few years have been French and they operate according to their domestic schedule.
There’s nothing new in that. I think there was only 1 French 3yo that ran in the KG in the whole of the 1990s.
Steve
How many of those horse you mentioned are 3 year olds.
None.
But let’s be realistic and ask the question: how many top class 12f 3yos have come out of England in the last 5(+) years?
So, it probably makes sense for them to avoid the high quality international horses that turn up to the KG.
The best 12f 3yos of the last few years have been French and they operate according to their domestic schedule.
There’s nothing new in that. I think there was only 1 French 3yo that ran in the KG in the whole of the 1990s.
Steve
Motivator went for the Eclipse rather than the King George, Authorized the same both are genuine middle distance horses not milers / ten furlong horses. Absolutely barmy campaigning.
Its all very well saying they won the Dante (not you personally Steve) but that was against three year olds only and lets be honest not against top class group one performers at that trip. (From memory) didn’t Motivator beat The Geezer?
Cannot for the life of me understand the reasoning by the campaigns these horses had / are having. Ok try the Eclipse but once beaten learn the lesson and give the horse the chance to be seen at their best over their more favoured trip.
If Authorized beats the best ten furlong horses at that trip I’ll eat my hat. Apalling decision.
There’s no way at all that either Motivator or Authorized were beaten by the drop in trip in the Eclipse in my opinion.
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Motivator went for the Eclipse rather than the King George, Authorized the same both are genuine middle distance horses not milers / ten furlong horses. Absolutely barmy campaigning.Its all very well saying they won the Dante (not you personally Steve) but that was against three year olds only and lets be honest not against top class group one performers at that trip. (From memory) didn’t Motivator beat The Geezer?
Cannot for the life of me understand the reasoning by the campaigns these horses had / are having. Ok try the Eclipse but once beaten learn the lesson and give the horse the chance to be seen at their best over their more favoured trip.
If Authorized beats the best ten furlong horses at that trip I’ll eat my hat. Apalling decision.
Disagree.
Had Motivator had a proper pace in his Eclipse, he would almost certainly have won it, as would Authorized if Frankie hadn’t thought he was unbeatable. Notnowcato isn’t far off the best with give in the ground, but I doubt he’d get near Authorized if the race was run again.
Given suitable ground, a decent pace and a proper ride, Authorized could still win a 10f race at the top level, though the Irish Champion would probably be a better race for him than York.If motivator was beaten by the lack of pace in the eclipse reet hard?? what was his excuse in the irish champion stakes when he was beaten the exact same distance by oratorio when he had a pace maker in the field ??????
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If motivator was beaten by the lack of pace in the eclipse reet hard?? what was his excuse in the irish champion stakes when he was beaten the exact same distance by oratorio when he had a pace maker in the field ??????
Basically, he was beaten for the same reason. Despite the pacemakers, the race was run at the same modest overall pace as the Eclipse.
On ground which was fast enough to blunt his stamina, (g/f, not g/y as reported in the RP), and on a sharper track than Sandown, Motivator was allowed to doss in front when the pacemakers cried enough. Had Kevin Darley kicked on from that point, I doubt Oratorio could have caught him.If motivator was beaten by the lack of pace in the eclipse reet hard?? what was his excuse in the irish champion stakes when he was beaten the exact same distance by oratorio when he had a pace maker in the field ??????
Basically, he was beaten for the same reason. Despite the pacemakers, the race was run at the same modest overall pace as the Eclipse.
On ground which was fast enough to blunt his stamina, (g/f, not g/y as reported in the RP), and on a sharper track than Sandown, Motivator was allowed to doss in front when the pacemakers cried enough. Had Kevin Darley kicked on from that point, I doubt Oratorio could have caught him.Motivator was a decent derby winner who beat nothing of note on the day but ran well again on subsequent outings so he didnt sully the name of the derby in any way. He was however, beaten fair and square twice by Oratorio who was just a slightly better horse at the 10 furlongs.
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There’s no way at all that either Motivator or Authorized were beaten by the drop in trip in the Eclipse in my opinion.
What about Galileo in the Irish Champion? All racehorses have an optimum distance and the three mentioned were all better at 12f. The great thing about racing in Britain is it`s so competitive at certain distances that winning over different trips is a true accomplishment in a way that it isn`t in Japan or Australia for example.
I argued with someone on another site who said after the Derby "Aurthorized won’t win another race". I now expect him to be proved right. It never occured to me that he wouldn’t run in the King George, I took it for granted that he would and to be honest looking at the field, likely going etc I feel sure he would’ve won.
As it is he’ll now be running over a trip short of his best that I can’t see him winning at not against top class opposition like Manduro.
All the eggs will then be in the Arc basket at the end of the season when Authorized has been messed around running in races he shouldn’t be running in. If he’s over the top, confidence is gone or isn’t 100% for some reason thats it another Derby winner that fails to win again.
I watched my King George video last night all those classic encounters and superstar horses I could’ve cried that there’s no Derby winner yet again to attempt to add to that illustious cast. Thankfully this year we do have some likely three year old representitives.
Still can’t believe the decision Authorizeds connections have made I hope (aqs I expect) it blows up in their faces. Its just the horse and the racing public I feel sorry for.
I can’t speak for the horse but this member of the racing public is grateful for your sympathy.
Colin
Aidan O’Brien’s decision not to run Soldier Of Fortune leaves the way open for Dylan Thomas to duly collect. I could of course be proved wrong, but I can’t see anything beating him.
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I like dylan thomas a lot,but he has turned me against now.In this last 2 races he has come to win the race,but it seems like something is hurting him and he doesnt want to go through the pain barrier.I dont like the way he has started to hang as well,but saying all that i will be surprised if he is beaten on saturday
Soldier Of Fortune out now, disgraceful, I’m gutted.
Disappointing yes, but hardly disgraceful. And it’s a boost for the forgotton classic. If SoF can win there and prove useful next year, it will be real shot in the arm for the St Leger, following Scorpion’s success this season.
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