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    Mike007
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    The opposition will be doing that. ;-)

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    raymo61raymo61
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    Let us just agree to disagree Judge!! LOL

    MIGHT BITE will show exactly how good he is!!

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    Middle_Of_MarchMiddle_Of_March
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    Topped up my 5/1 BDM from last week with the 7/2 still available.

    As I’m on him for Cheltenham anyway, I’d have kicked myself if he won this and I had nothing on. Also had a small bet at 7/1 on Thistlecrack. Think that’s overpriced if he’s come on for his comeback run.

    Had to have a little bit on the King George & Gold Cup double as well at 25/1.

    Personally, it’s not a race to go big on. Might Bite hasn’t faced top class horses yet and so I just have to oppose him. I usually don’t even back a horse antepost in this but the final field looks pretty much obvious now. May as well get a marginally better price on my two.

    Thistlecrack might be fit which would be a gamechanger.

    Bristol De Mai @ 5/1 & 7/2

    Thistlecrack @ 7/1

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    jackh1092jackh1092
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    On another note, a certain pod member mentioned today, how he was annoyed that Top Notch wasn’t running in King George just because of the same ownership….

    Do people think he’ll be as effective over 3m? if so, how would people think he’d fair?

    I personally prefer him as a horse to Bristol De Mai all round.

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    VautourVautour
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    The Bristol De Mai Haydock run is still dividing opinion. It’s gonna be so interesting to see if hes the real deal or if he’s just a bog specialist around Haydock. I have to admit I’m somewhere in the middle of the two camps. I think of him as the Rafa Nadal of horse racing with Heavy Haydock being The French Open. He dominates it but he’s still good enough to win the odd Wimbledon or US Open.

    If we get the Thistlecrack we got last time out and if Mught Bite runs anywhere near the mark he ran to in his seasonal debut then I think BDM has shown enough to make me think he can get the job done.

    I think BDM will win. I’m not certain of it or even confident; it’s just what all the figures and evidence tells us

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    jackh1092jackh1092
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    It certainly will be! Especially considering he wont be the only horse vying for setting the pace. Personally believe his jumping won’t stand the test, and it often hasn’t before. Add to that the fact its a sharp 3miles, likely (i presume) to be on much better ground than hes shown his best form.

    On the Might Bite part, what suggests to you that he will just run to his reappearance mark? Surely its quite plausible that he’ll improve? Add to that his performance up to the final fence last year and to me youve a horse who can run between 170-178 on RPRs, which would mean BDM would need to seriously step up on his form on sounder surfaces…Always possible, but his profile suggests it is unlikely..

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    #1333129
    Mike007
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    Trainer has already said that Might Bite will come on a ton for his first run so what was seen at Sandown was just a canter round.

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    VautourVautour
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    No, I accept that he will come on; he will have to if he wants to place in this. Beating a donkey like Frodon, off equal weights, by 8L is nowhere near King George winning form. He will have to improve and I’m sure he will.

    I think Bristol De Mai needs to get some credit for his first run of the season when he won in Wetherby on Soft ground. He conceded weight (6lb) to Blaklion and won narrowly. Blaklion has gone on to win well in a competitive handicap since. BDM was also 24L ahead of Definitely Red that day and Definitely Red has gone on to smash Cloudy Dream, Alpha Des Obeaux and Flying Angel since then. I understand there are variables that need to be considered but reading the form lines tells us that BDM is the form horse and should win this. It’s gonna be an interesting race either way.

    Good luck to all

    #1333157
    Mike007
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    Ruby Walsh would love to be riding Might Bite in the 32Red King George VI Chase at Kempton on Boxing Day.
    The sidelined jockey feels Nicky Henderson’s charge, currently the 11/8 favourite with Sky Bet, has all the necessary qualities to land the Christmas showpiece.

    Writing in his racing uk column he said: “Who would I ride? strictly going on novice form, and the performance he was putting up in last year’s Kauto Star Novices’ Chase, I would be leaning towards Might Bite.

    “I rode against him in the RSA at Cheltenham and the pace he showed and the speed he went was phenomenal. He had us all flat to the boards from flag fall. I couldn’t keep up with him and it was an outstanding performance. Kempton will suit him, and I think he’ll be very, very hard to beat.

    “If we were to get a drop of rain this week and the track was to get a bit slower then Bristol De Mai would have a chance. I would say he is an unbelievably strong stayer and that’s why, on testing ground, he just goes the same speed as he would on good ground and it kills off the opposition.

    “I’m not saying he won’t go on good ground, it’s just can he burn the opposition off to the same effect as he does on soft ground? I don’t think he can. I think Bristol De Mai is a bigger player in the Gold Cup than he is in the King George.”

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    Running ReinRunning Rein
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    For all the talk and confidence of Might Bite showing ‘what he is capable of’ etc.
    If he were to win very comfortably on Boxing Day he would only be doing what Thistlecrack achieved last year….as a novice!

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    jackh1092jackh1092
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    Isn’t that the same as any of these :wacko:

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    I suppose…but I just found it interesting that last Boxing Day two chasers went to Kempton in Might Bite and Thistlecrack.
    Let’s take a second to pause here and say out loud what actually happened that December afternoon in southwest London. Both horses where novice chasers at that time, with similar levels of chasing experience. Thistlecrack wins what is annually regarded as one of the two best chases of the whole season in super comfortable fashion after a spectacular round of jumping defeating the reigning champion whilst Might Bite failed to complete in a novice chase of decent standard for the grade.
    To be clear, comparing these two horses Thistlecrack had actually achieved what Might Bite’s biggest supporters thought he might be capable of one day.

    It seemed to me that within a week, Thistlecrack’s effort was being downgraded due to ‘poor field’, ‘moderate time’ and ‘narrow winning distance’. The errant Might Mite was being lauded after throwing away victory in lesser race in what would have been a very impressive time.

    Looking at commentary at present, I suppose the forward thinking and potential element of horse racing is what is evident here…and is fairness I usually revel in that. Thistlecrack, particularly following his tendon injury, is seen as yesterday’s horse. Might Bite has the potential to win a KG and maybe a GC amongst other races.
    I guess I have a slightly irrational distaste for the anointment of Might Bite pre race.
    It is probably me. :-(

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    SteeplechasingSteeplechasing
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    Ruby as wise as ever . . . Bristol De Mai a crazy price at 12s for the Gold Cup

    Never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience, then onlookers might not be able to tell the difference. https://lazybet.com/

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    No, I accept that he will come on; he will have to if he wants to place in this. Beating a donkey like Frodon, off equal weights, by 8L is nowhere near King George winning form. He will have to improve and I’m sure he will.

    I think Bristol De Mai needs to get some credit for his first run of the season when he won in Wetherby on Soft ground. He conceded weight (6lb) to Blaklion and won narrowly. Blaklion has gone on to win well in a competitive handicap since. BDM was also 24L ahead of Definitely Red that day and Definitely Red has gone on to smash Cloudy Dream, Alpha Des Obeaux and Flying Angel since then. I understand there are variables that need to be considered but reading the form lines tells us that BDM is the form horse and should win this. It’s gonna be an interesting race either way.

    Good luck to all

    He beat Frodon easily and that’s no plodder. The more relevant form is Whisper, whom he’s beaten twice.
    Then there’s the blistering performance at Kempton, the only reason he didn’t win being misguided help from the saddle in the home straight.
    He has a big chance but I agree that expectation is factored into his price, whereas Thistlecrack has the saddle cover already and Bristol De Mai has excellent form on this type of course

    The other thing in BDM’s favour is his age. That was a strange renewal of the RSA last year, in that first and second were 8 and 9 years old respectively. Might Bite could still be progressing but time is against him.

    Which makes Nicky Henderson’s management of Whisper this season all the more disappointing – Hennessy and Aintree on the agenda and he runs him in a Graduation chase at Kempton against a Nicholls horse returning from a wind-op. Twelve pounds later and handicaps are off the agenda.
    I’m still of the opinion he could place in a Gold Cup

    I’d love Might Bite to win, a return to the winners enclosure for Thistlecrack would be fantastic and if Bristol De Mai comes home first….cat loose, pigeons scattering.

    A classic in prospect.

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    Mike007
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    The forecast is for rain Monday and Tuesday which Nicky Henderson doesn’t want.

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