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November 18, 2012 at 19:33 #420285
something has gone wrong with grands crus. he’s now run two bad races in a row. a watching brief advised although he may still return to form.
what al ferof showed yesterday was that he’s now a high-class horse who comes into very strong consideration indeed in any talks about the king george and gold cup.
November 18, 2012 at 23:26 #420297I would leave Grands Crus well alone for now, he will be facing better horses than he was on Saturday if/when he lines up on Boxing Day. I thought he travelled OK for some way in the Paddy Power but the writing was on the wall as soon as he come under pressure.
I have been looking at Bobs Worth and see that his price varies from as low as 7/1 to as high as 20/1 for the King George, that seems a hell of a spread and he might be worth a tickle each way being a horse who has won 6 from 8 over jumps and who might upstage his seemingly more fancied stablemates.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
November 19, 2012 at 00:24 #420298problem with bobs worth is that he didn’t exactly seem to take to kempton last time he was there.
November 19, 2012 at 12:08 #420317I couldn’t have Bobs Worth here either. He clearly doesn’t seem happy going right handed at all. Take into consideration that Henderson also has 3 likely runners in Long Run, Riverside Theatre and Finians Rainbow as well, he just doesn’t make any ante post appeal.
November 19, 2012 at 22:17 #420349Breathing op for Grands Crus
Last Updated: November 19 2012, 15:38 GMT
Grands Crus is to be treated shortly for a breathing issue detected after his ordinary run in Saturday’s Paddy Power Gold Cup at Cheltenham.Grands Crus: Disappointed in Paddy Power Gold Cup
David Pipe’s grey, who set a high standard in staying hurdles and won last year’s Feltham Novices’ Chase, went off the 7-4 favourite for the first major handicap of the season but was pulled up before the second-last fence.
Profiles D Pipe Grands Crus (FR)
"Geoff Lane (a renowned vet) had a look at him and he wasn’t happy with his wind," said Pipe."It’s ongoing, but I should think we’ll do something about it this week."
November 19, 2012 at 23:00 #420356I liked [b:2jbp9sr4]KAUTO STONE[/b:2jbp9sr4][/color:2jbp9sr4] when he ran at Down Royal earlier this month.
November 19, 2012 at 23:54 #420360I couldn’t have Bobs Worth here either. He clearly doesn’t seem happy going right handed at all. Take into consideration that Henderson also has 3 likely runners in Long Run, Riverside Theatre and Finians Rainbow as well, he just doesn’t make any ante post appeal.
All true but I reckon Long Run isn’t as good as some seem to think, also Riverside Theatre was hard at it all the way when he won at Cheltenham before going off a bad favourite when stinking the place out at Aintree. Time will tell.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
November 19, 2012 at 23:55 #420361Breathing op for Grands Crus
I think many of those who backed him on Saturday will require the same procedure
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
November 20, 2012 at 14:35 #420386Bobs Worth won’t run unless there are injuries to Henderson’s other horses
Long Run – even though he has just retired, i think it would do well to remember Kauto Star’s career when considering the Waley Cohen horse. They had similar profiles in France. Running at 3, tearing up Auteuil before moving to a major British yard. However, Kauto didn’t run at Cheltenham until he was 6 ( fell early ) Long Run 5 ( placed ). Later, Kauto was beaten at Aintree, then won races against horses he should have beaten convincingly before losing to a brutal Denman in the Gold Cup, then losing the subsequent race.
Long Run was beaten by a similar performance from Kauto at Haydock, and although he won at Newbury, he was unconvincing. The track record is an anomaly in my opinion.Just like Kauto, Long Run has been beaten by a champion and taken time to recover. He should be back to his best this season but the constant throughout all this is the jockey. Yes, he’s won big races but he’s no Geraghty or Walsh and Long Run appears to need more guidance through his races than Kauto.
I think Long Run will win but i’d be convinced with Geraghty onboard. He was a dilemma over Finian’s or Riverside.
I doubt Sir Des Champs will make the journey. Was Florida Pearl the last horse Willie had in this race ?
Hope i’m wrong there because it would ne one hell of a race.November 20, 2012 at 16:59 #420398A couple of disappointing runs could soon see Nicky Henderson juggle his plans. Everyone seems to assume that all horses will come back in good order. We saw what happened with Grands Crus and Riverside Theatre has something to prove after being pulled up at Aintree. Even though I backed him when he won at the festival I was not impressed as he was off the bridle almost all the way. I think Bobs Worth has the most scope of the lot of them and he is my idea of a Gold Cup winner ahead of Long Run at the same odds and the skinny priced Sir Des Champs.
Long Run does not warrant comparison with Kauto Star until he wins a good few more group 1 races and I don’t think he will do it.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
November 20, 2012 at 20:26 #420414I wonder if Willie Mullins will send Sir Des Champs? Gigginstown have First Lieutenant and Quito for the Lexus. I haven’t heard anything about Last Instalment for a while but if he runs at Christmas it will be in Ireland.
Also, if Flemenstar beats Sir Des Champs first time out in the John Durkan, they may want to avoid a rematch before Cheltenham.
Who knows, it’s Willie Mullins
November 23, 2012 at 17:13 #420592Grands Crus is back on track for the race.
If he performs as he did at Kempton last year then he would have a massive chance of winning it.
It also depends on which Long Run shows up on the day.
November 23, 2012 at 17:41 #420594Grands Crus is back on track for the race.
If he performs as he did at Kempton last year then he would have a massive chance of winning it.
Very true. 2 bad runs does not a bad horse make. I’m just happy the poor Paddy Power run has thrown a bit more value into the hat
November 24, 2012 at 17:08 #420729Very true. 2 bad runs does not a bad horse make. I’m just happy the poor Paddy Power run has thrown a bit more value into the hat
It has to be a worry though. Bookies don’t push horses out without good reason. I warned people not to assume that Henderson’s contenders would win their seasonal debut’s and although Long Run ran a decent race, Finian’s Rainbow stank the place out. People will blame the heavy ground but although Finian’s Rainbow looks to have a powerful strike rate, he has gone off as short as a carrot in most of his races and he is not one for me in the King George.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
November 24, 2012 at 21:44 #42076110/1 about the top class Cue Card with Boylesports should be taken imo
November 28, 2012 at 11:31 #421070Finians Rainbow and Grands Crus both 12/1, both have excuses for their first runs of the season, and could see one of them bouncing back at Kempton.
December 3, 2012 at 01:58 #42153810/1 about the top class Cue Card with Boylesports should be taken imo
Agree 100%
Only been out the first two twice in his 11 races so far, which i think is a fairly impressive record given some of the races he’s ran in. Was very impressive on his reappearance in Haldon stuffing Edgardo Sol & Menorah by 25+ lengths. The only worry for me would be he hasn’t been this far before. Worth the risk though imo!
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