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    Avatar photoDBRDBR
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    Very difficult to choose, but in the end I’ve gone for Clan des Obeaux. It is a bit of a cliche, but this must be his Gold Cup, which won’t be the case for Minella Indo. He was imperious in 2018 and 2019 here and I think last year a hard race in the mud at Haydock cost him too much effort. Also added Mister Fisher at a big price. His recent form with Frodon is solid, speed shouldn’t be an issue and he was imrpessive here at the same meeting three years ago. The distance is a big question mark, but at this price I’m willing to find out.

    Clan des Obeaux 3/1
    Mister Fisher 40/1 EW

    Merry Christmas all!

    #1574389
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    The other factor against him is his record right handed isn’t great

    His record isn’t great, but there’s excuses? 2 seasonal reappearances + a race he gave Allaho weight.

    The other, he won a g1 novice hurdle.

    He’s the best horse in the race and for me should be 2/1 at best.

    As you say he’s no plodder. He’ll be grand.

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    #1574401
    TomBarkley87
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    You’d have to go a long way back to find a winner of this that hadn’t previously won over 2 miles. Fair trend to buck that and a it’s a glaring omission from the Gold Cup winners repertoire.

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    Might bite Tom- didn’t have to go back that far lol?

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    #1574414
    Stodge168
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    Morning all :)

    Merry Christmas to all on TRF.

    The King George this year is a real head scratcher. It’s a quality renewal with only A PLUS TARD absent. MINELLA INDO won a Gold Cup at the end of a less than stellar campaign and it could be he’s a spring horse. I’m less worried about the right-handed aspect – he ran perfectly well at Down Royal – and the rain we’ve had overnight will help.

    CLAN DES OBEAUX is a past winner and you can’t ignore that for all he was well held by FRODON last year. He was superb at Aintree and we know flat, sharp tracks work for him much better than Cheltenham and Megan Nicholls’ comment on ITV Racing he was well forward and working well obviously wasn’t lost on a number of players.

    CHANTRY HOUSE could be the next big thing but beating a non-stayer at Aintree and winning a match at Sandown doesn’t convince me. He’s to prove he can mix it with the big guns at this trip and 9/2 looks too short.

    With ASTERION FORLONGES, you’re assuming he’d have won the John Durkan if he’d stood up. Maybe but he’s another who needs to prove it over the trip on the ground.

    Of the bigger priced horses, I thought SAINT CALVADOS had a real chance last year but he didn’t get home and for all LOSTINTRANSLATION looked better at Ascot that’s still a step below this.

    Which brings me back to FRODON – why couldn’t he win it again? He did it well at Down Royal – we know the ground, trip and track hold no fears and his jumping keeps him in races like this. I’ve backed him at 7s – it’s a stronger renewal, no question, but there’s another ifs, buts and maybes about some of the other principals to think Bryony could just luck it out again from the front.

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    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    They had Frodon bang on first time out , I see him as the setup horse this year

    Pick 3 on Saturday champion 2025/2026

    #1574450
    TomBarkley87
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    Done myself up like a kipper there haven’t I Jack, not sure how I missed him :wacko: All the same, Might Bite won over 2 mile 3f and it was always obvious he had a good bit of toe.

    The shortest trip Minella Indo’s won at is 2 mile 7f. He won an Albert Bartlett on only his third spin over obstacles. I just can’t have him on quick ish ground around here.

    The argument’s made every year not to forget that this is a 3 mile assignment and that Kempton being a speed track doesn’t make it an easy 3. That’s certainly the case, although it tends to pay to side with the ‘quicker stayers’ if you like, and I wouldn’t put the Gold Cup winner in that category.

    Merry Christmas all and good luck over the festive period :good:

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    Yeah Tom it’s the main concern most have, but i think his race style will be fine around the track, being a prominent grinder. I don’t personally think it’s actually as much of a concern, we’ve seen what Allaho’s been capable of over 2m5 now, and Minella went toe to toe with him in the RSA.

    I think he’s a great bet myself.

    Merry Christmas all! What a race day we have tomorrow.

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    #1574483
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    Something tells me if he runs,
    Saint Calvados is going to run a big race today….
    First of three consecutive wins for new trainer H Whittington came after 8 month break.
    Fourth win at Naas off back of 8 month lay off.
    Previously Won at least one race in France.
    24 lengths 7th in Queen mother in first time cheekpieces

    Returned from 7 month break to win at Cheltenham Randox Health Chase (Class 2) after wind surgery.2019.
    Two massive runs at Cheltenham in the paddy power lost by the minimum distance before losing by a long neck in the Ryan Air.(In front of both A Plus Tard and Frodon).

    Reappeared in the King George last year nine months later. Fourth to Frodon where Bryony Frost received a two day ban for interference of Saint Calvados.
    Unseated at Sandown in February.17th fence.

    Reappears today off ten month break to debut for Paul Nicholls down from a mark of 167 to 162 in first time Tongue strap.
    Retains regular rider.
    Given the potential improvement for new yard should run a big race today fresh.
    Nicholls has a strong hand in this race with his three runners having enjoyed three wins, a third and a fourth between them.

    #1574495
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    The only bet here is place laying chantry house, what a farce of a price, has 0 chance of winning, should be 25/1

    #1574497
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    Looking forward to this. Favourite sporting day of the year, let’s not mention the cricket!

    CDO the most likely winner but think the value lies with Frodon, 7’s underestimates him so he’ll carry my cash.

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    Three of MI’s last four wins have been before mid January

    He’s adaptable course wise but stiffer galloping tracks obviously suit better

    #1574512
    Mike007
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    Will leave Chantry alone and stick with the Clan 18s and Minella 10s ews I have. A running on Chantry at the end with Clan (or Minella) winning would be very nice.

    #1574514
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    Didn’t expect the market to go as it has at all….

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    #1574515
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    Great write-up Sam. I backed Saint Calvados last year and a poor jump at the last
    probably cost him 3rd place, but he ran a good race. A wind op and now with Paul
    Nichols, I agree I think he’ll run above his odds.

    Ham, I’d love to have some of that 25/1 for Chantry House :good:

    #1574520
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    I backed Chantry House for this back before Aintree and don’t see anything else I like more. I really like the horse and the only times he has been beaten under rules are 3rd in Shishkin’s supreme and once last year when his back was bothering him. He’s by Yeats whose progeny mostly stay ok and he jumps well enough and has the class to go the pace.

    #1574523
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    I agree Green, I’ve got Chantry at 14s and 33/1 with Hills for this and Gold Cup.
    Despite money coming for him, he’s still 33s with Hills, I dont think that’s such
    a bad crack. He’s gotta step up for sure, Ham may have a point, but the potential
    is there and I think he’s worth the chance.

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